"Official" Dungeon Magazine Star Wars Thread.

Early on when gamer was cancelled, they stated that Insider would start getting starwars stories, and that Dungeon Magazine would get star wars mini-adventures from then on.

My question, for people who have gotten dungeon magazine after gamer died, what star wars adventures have been in the magazine if any, including summeries of the stories.

 

I haven't seen it since Gamer cashed in, but I will check with a friend of mine who buys it pretty regularly and see if there are any Star Wars related stories in it.

 

From page 8 of Dungeon 96, snipping the relevant parts of a letter and its response:

I just received Dungeon #95 in place of my two-year subscription of Star Wars Gamer and found nothing in it about Star Wars. The letter I got from the publishing company wrote that the game content of Gamer would be in Dungeon and that fiction would appear in Star Wars Insider. This is the third month and I?ve seen no information on Star Wars; what?s up?

It takes time for these things to fall together. Polyhedron editor Erik Mona has been working together with Lucasfilm to get some Star Wars content in the magazine; you?ll probably see something in issue #97. This is new ground for our staff, though, so be patient.

Issue #97 should be out in February, if I'm not mistaken.

 

Well, then, this thread will become useful pretty soon, .

I will find out if content is worth buying just for 1-2 star wars related things, .

 

I may actually check it out myself- for the most part, I was pretty happy with the contents of Gamer, except for that 'Model Citizen' stuff- what a page waster.

 

Oh, I was happy with pretty much everything in gamer(except with what you noted, ), it was worth buying because it was loaded to the brim with star wars info. from an EU perspective.

Even the new insider format I think is vast improvement over how it had been, it's almost gamer without the stats. The only thing I don't like is much is more behind the scenes, making of, non-fiction info, that interspersed with the EU information in it, .

But dungeon, that's pretty much just assorted franchise rpg work, from dungeons and dragons to other stuff right?

So any star wars tidbit will be overwhelmed by stuff I probably won't read, .

Maybe people can put up scans of the star wars pages, .

 

The format of Dungeon is basically that on one side (the Dungeon side) you get +/- 90 pages devoted to Dungeons and Dragons adventures (the sister magazine Dragon covers everything that isn?t an adventure in Dungeons and Dragons). On the other side, you get Polyhedron, which is a general d20 magazine. You get +/- 20 pages of general d20 news, interviews and game-play suggestions, and then +/- 40 pages on some new campaign setting (they create a new campaign setting every issue), and then a four page Godlike mini-comic.

I?m not exactly sure what the change will be to the format ? I know right now that I don?t want to lose a single page out of my Dungeon magazine! They better not cut Godlike either. A lot of people have been writing in to the magazine to complain about the Polyhedron content, and the response to the letter seemed to indicate that it was actually Polyhedron so I think that what will happen will be that Polyhedron that loses pages, my guess being in the range of 15-20 pages per issue.

But we?ll see, I hope.

 

Oh, I like behind the scenese and special effects material because that's where a lot of my interests lie. Dungeon & Dragon magazines have really gone down the crapper in the past decade or so. They used to have some superb adventures in there for 1st and 2nd ed AD&D- one adventure was so good that myself and another DM ran it in two separate campaigns with our own mods and neither of us recognized the other's work until the end. What does Dungeon have in now? Motorcycle riding orcs! Gag me with a short sword! I go out of my way to purchase past issues of both mags because they were so good. Star Wars content in Dunegon might be enough to save it. I mean, where else could you find stats for Bugs Bunny, but in Dragon? That was also when they'd actually cover other games like Marvel Super Heroes, Champions, Gamma World (before it was ruined), and more. Ah, the good old days.

 

I personally think everything was better with Gamer, and with the cancellation of Gamer, everything should have been moved to Insider instead of putting some in Dungeon. Instead of the flip side of Insider being Bantha Tracks, they should have made it like a shorter Gamer issue with the short stories and RPG material. I don't like that Dungeon will only end up being a very small fraction of Star Wars material when that is all I'm interested in.

If they're only moving it to Dungeon to boost faltering sales, I think that it's a cheap move and only prolongs the inevitable, since not enough Star Wars fans will buy Dungeon just for a little Star Wars material if there weren't enough to buy a full Star Wars Gamer magazine. The when Dungeon is cancelled, Star Wars material will have no where to go except Insider, or just be dropped in general.

On a side note, has anyone found any good ways to electronically save the material for the Star Wars RPG from the WOTC web site?

 

Paizo Publishing press release (pasted from SWRPGNetwork):

It looks like everything is finally on track to begin Star Wars coverage in the May issue of Polyhedron. The current thought is that we'll have about 10 pages of Star Wars RPG content every other month (the even issues of Dungeon will feature this content). I say 10, but if I get a fantastic 20-page article I'll be happy to print it. If I only have one printable LFL-approved 6-page article on hand when the issue needs to go to press, it'll be a shorter section that issue.

Every issue will feature a complete map, stat block, and history of a starship. These will be new creations suitable for "adoption" by Star Wars RPG hero groups, so they work as both enemies and potential home bases. We'll have one other regular feature familiar to Star Wars Gamer readers, and each issue will also contain at least one "meaty" feature article.

The first issue to include Star Wars content will be Dungeon #98, which hits subscribers some time around the end of March and hits newsstands in the middle of April. I know it's been a long wait for fans of the much-loved Star Wars Gamer. The short Polyhedron won't be a total replacement for that magazine, but I plan to make it an intriguing source of new content that helps out your Star Wars RPG campaigns.


Sounds nice.

 

So every other issue, meaning I don't have to buy every issue, that makes it sound better and better, .

 

This actually really ticks me off!

I switched my Gamer to Dungeon on the info that Dungeon would have Star Wars material, but 10 pages every other is practically nothing.

Val, it's probably still cheaper to subscribe than to buy every other issue on the stand.

 

Oy, and then what am I supposed to do with the issues that have no star wars material... I really have no interest in the other material...

I mean it would be nice if I could set up a plan to only subscribe to the even number issues...

hmm, $30 for 6 issues of a subscription is pretty darn high... ...

How much do they cost individually?

 

Burn them, or if you ever run out of toilet paper..

I think it would be better if instead of doing small things in every other issue, they should just do 1 really big thing once a year. Or something like that.

$7.99 per issue

 

ooh, complete star wars issues once or twice a year, like a "star wars gamer special". That would be cool.

"$7.99 per issue"

That is just rediculously expensive...

 

Right. It's like $7.99 per issue newsstand or something like $30 per year. You'll save a LOT by subscribing.

Also, they might not be very consistent with the Star Wars material and have 3 in a row and then a couple without and so forth as time goes on. It probably won't be every other issue like clockwork.

 

Probably SW content will be fairly constant. They have the Polyhedron mini-game every two numbers, so they have to add the SW/RPGA/etc content the months when there's no mini-game.

EDIT: Maybe this clears it all (posted from EN World message boards)

Beginning with the May issue of Dungeon/Polyhedron (#98), we will be reducing the cover price from $7.99 to $6.99 and will appear monthly thereafter. All who have subscribed to the magazines prior to January 22, 2003 will have their subscriptions extended by two issues to reflect changes in the frequency and page count of the magazine. I realize that this contradicts the statement I made, with nothing but the best intentions, to many of you at GenCon of 2002. At that time, I stated that I did not intend to change Dungeon/Polyhedron prior to GenCon of 2003. I hope that the reduced price and extended subscriptions take some of the sting out of this change in my position. I also hope that you will take some time to consider my rationale for the decision.

It was initially my intent to announce that I would be splitting Dungeon and Polyhedron into separate bi-monthly magazines at GenCon 2003. Under that plan, they would alternate publication months. Problems with that idea became apparent as we looked at our business plan. Splitting the two magazines would reduce the paid readership for each title and dampen the desire of advertisers to pay the existing rates, based on current paid circulation. Further, splitting the magazines would require a separate infrastructure for handling subscriptions and advertising for the two magazines. Finally, splitting the magazines would not solve either our desire to get more adventures into the hands of our readers at a faster pace or our concern that we had no space in the current format for supporting the d20 mini-games we were publishing in Polyhedron.

I decided that my initial plan would have been very attractive to purists who either refused to look at Polyhedron because they only played D&D or refused to look at Dungeon because they liked playing a variety of game systems. However, my initial plan would have done nothing for the increasing percentage of readers who liked both sides of the magazine and enjoyed the fresh ideas found under both titles. Since my initial plan was neither cost-effective nor likely to please the largest majority of the readers, I scrapped it in favor of the plan we?ve adopted.

The emphasis in the new circa 100-page Dungeon/Polyhedron will alternate from month-to-month. One month, approximately 2/3 of the magazine will be Dungeon adventures and the other third will be dedicated to previewing exciting d20 System news from Wizards of the Coast and other publishers, RPGA Network updates, new equipment, enemies, maps, and scenarios for the d20 Modern RPG and support for previously published Polyhedron Mini-Games. This version of Polyhedron will also feature support for the Star Wars RPG and the Living Greyhawk Journal, a section of the magazine dedicated to the largest organized play D&D campaign in the world.

In the alternating month, approximately 2/3 of the magazine will be a Polyhedron mini-game and the other 1/3 will be Dungeon adventures. In those months where the Polyhedron emphasis is greater, Dungeon/Polyhedron SUBSCRIBERS will receive a bonus adventure that will not appear in the newsstand books. This will be in addition to the newsstand page count (an extra signature in magazine speak) and will bring to the total number of pages devoted annually to adventures to a higher total than the current bi-monthly format. It also rewards our subscribers in a way that makes sense. Newsstand buyers may be able to purchase the bonus adventures from us at a separate price, but they either will be electronic software downloads or separately printed collections of the adventures.

As always, I know that change will create a storm of controversy. However, I wanted to attempt to circumvent some of the expected opposition by speaking directly to the most dedicated grou

 

A 12 issue subscription costs $37.95 and an 18 issue subscription costs $64.90. You are saving money by subscribing, but it's still a lot. That's why I think having a "Star Wars Gamer Special" or something once or twice a year would be a good thing.

 

"Right. It's like $7.99 per issue newsstand or something like $30 per year. You'll save a LOT by subscribing."

Let's see, It $30 bucks on subscription which is only 6 issues, that is about $5 dollers each. Only 3 of them I'll want, so that makes each of the ones I want $10 each to me...

Where as I only buy the ones I want and skip the others, it would be $8 to me each.

Either way it's rediculously expensive...

 

I don't think a sub is worth it. I already subscribe to PC Gamer, PSM, Star Trek: The Magazine and CGW- another would be over kill and too expensive. I'll check out the issues at The Source in St. Paul, if what I see is good, I'll buy it, otherwise, it will stay on the shelf.

 

I thought the subscription was for 12 monthly issues at the time. I guess I was wrong.

In light of recent posts, it is becoming monthly, and it's either about $38 for 12 issues by subscription, or about 6 x $7 = $42 for 6 newsstand issues.

It's still cheaper to subscribe than to buy them individually. Besides, if any of the bonus adventures are Star Wars material, you can't get it via the newsstand version.

I'm considering selling the non-Star Wars issues on ebay to recover some of the subscription costs.

I highly doubt there will be Star Wars material collections, at least not any time soon. There's a pile of stuff online at the WotC site that would be nice to have printed too, but I haven't heard anything about that either.

 

I'm considering selling the non-Star Wars issues on ebay to recover some of the subscription costs.

That was to be my suggestion for anyone who decided to subscribe- good call.

 

Actually, I just checked, and the subscription renewal they sent me stated $19.95. Maybe it was a typo?

 

19.95 for how many issues?

Because if that is 12 issues that's quite fair.

 

It said for one year. I assume it is 12 issues then. I'm suspicious though, since the renewal notice said "Dungeon Adventures", but the magazine is just Dungeon. However, the only magazine I subscribe to with the word Dungeon in it is this one, so it's the only one I could renew.