Only then a jedi will you be..?

When Luke talks to Yoda; right before he dies, Yoda tell him that he requires no more training. Luke says,"then I am a jedi". Yoda says not yet that he must confront Vader. Then only then a jedi will you be... Why is this? I'm sure that there are other jedi that completed their training without confronting a sith lord. The only thing I can figure is Yoda ment that if Luke were to survive a fight with Vader and stayed on the good side he would be a jedi. If he used anger and the dark side he would easily become a sith apprentice... OR is it like Obiwan said and that Luke was their last hope in defeating Vader and the Emperor? Did Yoda tell him he must confront Vader only because this was their "last card to play"?

 

Most Jedi had to face "the trials" when they rose to the rank of Knight; if you rememeber the conversation in the Jedi Temple in TPM.

Facing Vader was Luke's trial by fire... either he is successful, and becomes a Jedi, or he fails, and turns to the darkside or dies.

 

Did Yoda tell him he must confront Vader only because this was their "last card to play"?

Kinda. This was to be the test that would define Luke Skywalker as a Jedi Knight. It's like a makeshift version of The Trials. And under the circumstances, what better test could there be?

edit: Indigo types faster than I do.

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Does anyone know what the trials consisted of ? If they did not have a sith to battle, what would be the equivalent ?

 

Well, the trials wouldn't involve a battle with the Sith, if only because at the 'height' of the Jedi, the Sith were underground, and had been for 1000 years.

The answer to your question's going to be EU, so would probably be best answered over in the Lit forum, or perhaps the TPM one at a push.

EDIT: unless Bib's around of course...

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Ok. Thanks. I usualy don't get into EU much but I'll check into it just for curiosity of my question.

 

Anakin's trials will be shown in the upcoming novel Jedi Trial. Maybe it well shed some light on the whole thing.

 

Because Jedi have to make some sort of sacrifice or something like that, or at least that's what put Mara Jade off in Timothy Zahn's "Vision Of The Future" Okay in the end she sacrifices her ship but hey. Also in "Shadows Of The Empire" by Steve Perry, it has a couple of lines when Luke and Leia are conversing telepathically (posh!) And it goes "Luke Skywalker, Jedi Knight smiled." So is Perry wrong or is Luke already a Jedi?

 

As we have seen in the movies thus far, the trial for an apprentice seems to involve a full on confrontatino wit the Dark Side. For Obi-Wan, his confrontation with Maul was his trial. During the on-on-one portion of the duel, Obi started with a hint of the dark side, but he was able to clear his mind, fouc and turn away from the Dark side. Luke's confrontation with vader was the same thing. He failed to fully cconfront Vader in ESB. He had to literally run away from Vader. So, his test was incomplete. He has to face the Dark Side and stand stalwart against it to become a Jedi. Which he does in RoTJ.

 

I personally think Luke already proved himself the first time he confronted Vader in ESB
He jumped to his death before turning to the dark side for crying out loud
what further convincing does Yoda need?

and that was only after minimal training and skills

but by the time of the sail barge battle, even Luke's technique and skills are top notch

maybe Yoda meant facing the Emperor, but if that was the case he should've just said it

so considering all of this, it seems like Yoda was just pulling on Luke's puppet strings there

I like Yoda and OB1 and would hate to think they were manipulative like that, but really, Yoda was always rude towards Luke, and OB1 just wanted Vader taken care of, poor Luke just got played
but he showed the entire galaxy who was boss in the end, and did it HIS way, and declared HIMSELF a Jedi

 

Ok. In ESB, what does Yoda tell Luke is one of the emotions leading to the Dark Side? FEAR. Yoda never tells Luke, "You must kill Vader". He says "you must confront Vader", like you said in your question. Luke is AFRAID to confront Vader in ROTJ, not because he doesn't think he can win (even though he had his butt handed to him in ESB), but because he feels he might have to hurt or probably kill him while trying to convert him to the good side. Everyone has a fear one way or the other, even in the "real" world. To face your greatest fear and conquer it makes a person more whole, or complete. I feel Vader is Luke's greatest fear because he knows it will be very difficult to confront and convert Vader, his father, to the good side. He doesn't want to have to do it. He'd rather Yoda just tell him he's a Jedi and be done with it. Yes, as others have said, Luke was the "last chance, only hope, etc." for the Alliance and maybe for the good side of the Force (don't forget Leia), but I think it was moreso for Luke to become a whole, complete Jedi. In TPM (sorry for the PT reference), Yoda tells Anakin, "FEAR is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger...", etc. And look what Anakin's FEAR did to him...

 

"As we have seen in the movies thus far, the trial for an apprentice seems to involve a full on confrontatino wit the Dark Side."

Yes, to JediSF you listen -

From the ROTJ novelization -

Ben: "To be a Jedi, Luke, you must confront and then go beyond the dark side?the side your father couldn't get past. Impatience is the easiest door?for you, like your father. Only, your father was seduced by what he found on the other side of the door, and you have held firm. You're no longer so reckless now, Luke. You are strong and patient. And you are ready for your final confrontation."

 

I would imagine that the Trials are different for everyone. It seems to be that each Padawan's trial revolves around him confronting his weaknesses and vulnerabilities. Luke had to face the possibility of repeating his father's mistakes. Obi-Wan had to learn to trust the Force in order to defeat Darth Maul. Yoda believed that it was necessary for Luke to confront Vader because he needed to be able to move beyond the Dark Side of the Force.

 

I imagine it was a fitting trial for Luke. What better test could there be than to be tempted by the dark side then prevail against it?

 

What an interesting thing to look into. The weaknesses that each jedi had to confront. If in fact that was their trial. Surely it was part of it. I know I'm really reaching here but is anyone else interested in knowing what Yodas weakness was? Mace? Other jedi? What did they have to sacrifice or confront to pass their test?

 

SW, Luke jumping off of the catwalk (to his death) in ESB is actually proof that he wasn't strong enough to face the Dark Side. The only way he can avoid truning is by running away. Luke didn't fully comprehend the nature of the Dark Side.

 

No, he chose death by making a suicidal plunge down a bottomless chasm rather than joining Vader

 

DARTH-ICE-C, I think it would be interesting to have known what weaknessess other Jedi had. But I wouldn't say for sure that was each had to endure to become Jedi, just in Luke's case for sure.