ST "Order X", the new organization to replace the Jedi Order

IF this title means Luke has decided to let the Jedi become extinct, and let Rey create a new order (I know that's an "if" but let's not debate that in this thread)... let's call Rey's new order (under Luke's encouragement or last wishes, to replace the Jedi) "Order X" for now... how would (or should) "Order X" be different from the Jedi Order, and why would Luke let the Jedi Order die instead of just reforming it?

 

1. No more taking infants and raising them to be Jedi. If being old enough to actually think through your choice to join the Order is too old to join the Order, then there's something wrong with your Order.
2. Work on the whole, "No emotional attachments thing." It's normal and natural; suppressing such things is not.
3. Stop denying the Dark Side of the Force. Obviously don't freaking throw yourself into it, but it's a part of the Force. The Jedi failed because they only focused on one half; the Sith failed because they only focused on the other half. You know who's still alive and kicking? The Bendu, the "one in the middle." Clearly that guy is doing something right.
4. More Jedi, less Order. Instead of having a bunch of bureaucrats sitting in a circle making up nonsense rules like, "Yeah, 3 sounds like a cutoff age for joining our exclusive club," maybe train Jedi and let them go into the Galaxy to do good how they see fit, with the Force and their own conscience guiding them instead of being given assignments by a bunch of wads in red chairs. Tl;dr, no centralized Jedi "government."

 

The Jedi are a very specific Order of The Force.
Like Jesuit Priests. Over the years their organisation and rules and philosophy many change, but they continue to exist due to the passing of the name through time. You can't call yourself a Jesuit just because you kinda think you are one.

Luke holds onto the Jedi name by the barest of threads. Yoda finally gave him the nod, and so he's the sole remaining trademark holder. And who is going to argue with him about what the Rules are? He's a one man religious order.

So, he can tap Rey on the shoulder. Here's the grubby brown cloak. You own the Name now. And Rey can do whatever she likes with it. Open a hamburger chain called "Jedi's Garbage Food" if she wants.

But it would be fun to see her rebuild the Jedi Faith. See a purer, more natural Force arise and become successful... Until in Episode 16 it's become bureaucratic and an arm of the government again at it all falls. Again.

(Rambling nonsense)

 

I do think this may be happening.

My guess would be an order built on Luke's unique teachings which draw from the roots of the original Jedi. A few options:

The Order of Skywalker/ The Skywalker Order
The Order of Luke
The Order of Bendu/ The Bendu Order
The Order of the Whills

My favorite is the first. How great would it be to simply call all members of the New Order "Skywalkers?" An excellent way of honoring Luke, and the redeemed Anakin. A word that most casual audiences recognize. And just a cool term for a spiritual warrior. Skywalkers. Guardian angels, basically.

 

It could simply be the New Jedi.

Based on their teaching and philosophies, but reformed to correct mistakes of the past.

 

Bendu

 

This thread isn't really about the name, but how they'd be different.

 

I'm a purist
Jedi should be replaced with the name:

Spoiler

Jedi

 

Perhaps it'll be the Order Order, as foreseen by the great prophet, Mas Amedda?

 

That would be so ****ing stupid.

 

I think these things need to change (despite that I thought Luke already changed it):

1. Work on the 'no attachment' rule and instead teach the difference between healthy loving of other people as opposite to possessing people.
2. Better understanding and dealing with 'death' and explaining the students why death is part of every life (not only some empty words like that you should not mourn them)
3. Accepting the dark side and teaching the students what it will cost them if they choose this path.
4. Don't use the word order, it is too much like 'First order' ,so better like 'Guardians of .....'
5. Staying away from government as much as possible to avoid influence on them, so better decentralized
6. Luke may act as a wanderer between different enclaves and visiting them from time to time to exchange knowledge
7. Luke should write some kind of 'thesis' that each of them should follow with a focus on moral
8. People of every age have the chance to enter, but only with a multi-layered test of the character over some years, in which they may still be rejected (and learn fighting/force skills much later after passing most character tests)

.....(maybe there is more, but that's it from me for now

 

@PymParticles' list nails it.

I think the point about emotions is crucial. The TPM-era Jedi tried to adhere to a rigid equanimity, and to suppress and even deny their emotions. A lot of dysfunction in adult life comes from not knowing how to safely feel and express 'negative' emotions - they accordingly tend to find their way out in the form of outbursts and tumultuous episodes. If you're told to keep that stuff in, you can feel powerless. No wonder, then, that the dark side is so alluring - "I can feel your anger. It gives you focus, makes you stronger." There's surely a distinction between feeling and accepting all your emotions, on the one hand, and unconsciously acting on them. In my experience, actions taken out of unhealthy attachment or a sense of desperation tend to just make things worse. So maybe it's about being conscious of them. This new Order should recognise the humanity / organism-ness of its members rather than expecting them to disavow it. I guess the logic of only inducting infants into the order was designed to minimise this, but given that any would-be trainee you turn away for being too old will still be Force-sensitive and may develop abilities by themselves (potentially dangerously), you'd think it would be in the Order's interest to give guidance to all of them.

I really like Pym's fourth point that it ought to be not a galactic FBI but rather a diffuse set of alumni of the same respected institution. These beings across the galaxy will command wide respect and authority by consent, by virtue of the skills that they are universally known to offer.

 

One of Rian's philosophical influences was William Bly and his idea of the shadow dragged behind in the persuit of perfection in the light.

Read from about page 9 of this through page 20. Ignore the PDF program's page numbering and utilize the page numbers on the pages themselves. It will become more clear what Luke is struggling with.
http://www.shadowsgovernment.com/sh...- A Little Book on the Human Shadow (pdf).pdf

 

yeah... you know.... Disney has spent millions of dollars to buy iconic brands as "Jedi" to throw them out of the window after a couple of episodes and do something new of their own.

Alternative grey force users wielding light sabers with a different name will be the new good guys!

Do you seriously believe that?

Im going to buy the Coca Cola Company but Im going to sell the black brebage with a name of my own...

Fan fiction makes me sick.

 

A big part of business is innovation and expansion. Jedi will live on in the universe, especially if Star Wars begins an old Republic chapter for real. The future of Star Wars could come up with new concepts for us to be able to lift to the heights of "Jedi" just like the old movies did: it won't be a sure thing but this IP has many iconic aspects, and more will follow if we allow the creators to actually create them.

 

hm maybe attachment you can grow strength from .

 

I'm intrigued as to why the First Order is called the First Order. I suppose it's possible that it's based on concepts from the very first Je'ddaii, before the Jedi Order came into being?

The Je'ddai believed in a balance of light and dark, and those who drifted too far to either side were sent to one of the moons of Tython to get themselves back in balance. Could that have anything to do with Luke's long exile on Ahch-To?

 

There won't be any Order x, y, or z. Luke is going to return the Jedi to their pre-PT roots before they lost their shadow and thus harmony between light and dark.

For example, Jedi will be able to act like normal beings again and have families and fall in love. They won't be so afraid that natural things will inevitably lead to the darkside.

 

I only wonder why Luke hasn't done this with his first attempt?

 

Fair question. It could be that in researching Jedi lore, Luke picked up on PT Jedi beliefs and wrongly went in that direction.

But this begs the question of why Yoda did not pass the knowledge on he learned in TCW S6 to Luke in the OT.

I'm not sure of the answer here, but it may be that Yoda didn't have time to pass on what he learned about accepting one's shadow to Luke -- in fact, he didn't pass it on to the Jedi Order either upon his return from the Priestesses planet. So it may be that Yoda believes Luke is meant to discover this knowledge on his own, at the right time.

Plus, the shadow stuff isn't necessarily the same as lifting the marriage ban.

I believe Luke was left with incomplete knowledge of the Jedi's faults; this is why he's said to have spent years researching Jedi lore: to learn how to teach.

 

I keep saying this, but if Rey doesn't become a Jedi its going to look a bit like they are intentionally trying to keep female main characters from becoming full fledged Jedi.

Not to mention Lucas vision was the journey of a young woman to becoming a jedi. Not a young woman decides not to be a Jedi and do something completely different. I see no reason to abandon the title of Jedi. They can simply change want it means to be a Jedi.

 

"Without the Jedi, there can be no balance in the force" I don't think the Jedi are going anywhere. I think it is simply, Luke is the last remaining Jedi at this very moment. Doesn't mean he will be ever. He was also this at the end of ROTJ. The question is will he survive this movie, or will Rey be put in the same spot Luke was in the OT when Obi Wan and Yoda died?

 

If Rey and Luke fundamentally changes the Jedi Order - it will be right to name it something else. Not the New Jedi Order or Jedi 2.0.

If they go traditional and stay true to the ways of old (which to be fair had some minor issues + had some minor difficulties with treason from within) then sure it is still the good old Jedi Order.

 

I think what some are offering as "names" are indicative of the possible philosophical differences between Luke's New Order, as the past Jedi Orders. So the two subjects need not be mutually exclusive.

 

Since one of the biggest pay off from the Lucas Saga was Luke proclaiming "I'm a jedi, like my father before me", I would be really p***ed if, suddenly, Luke and his successors threw the jedi name to the trash.

The jedi are Star wars. This order is fascinating in all the movies and one of the best reasons for this is because it's not perfect. Star wars is about human people trying to find answers to the great mysteries of the universe and failing from time to time. Renaming the jedi it for the sake of starting anew would be childish and amazingly pretentious.

The jedi ghosts thing showed us that the jedi are the ones really in tune with the Force. Not any jedi of course, but the greatest of them all. Qui-Gon, Obi-wan, Yoda, Anakin. Those guys are what the new padawans should aspire to be. Let's not fall into a pedantic et modernist approach of Star wars in this new movies. It's possible to move on AND to honnor a great tradition of heroes from the past.