ordering the clones

i have read that you see who ordered the clones in AOTC so can some one please tell me who forgive me if this topic has come up before

 

i think that was me that posted that. i got that from the "just the facts" section of tf.net episode 3 stuff. it only says that we saw who it was onscreen in AOTC, and they will be revealed in ROTS, if i knew more i would tell you, but thats all i know, sorry.

 

Well, Jango says he was hired by a man named "Tyranus". We find out at the end of the movie that Count Dooku is Darth Tyranus. I concluded that Dooku?under orders from Darth Sidious?ordered the clones under the false name Sifo-Dias and got Jango to be the original.

 

"Welcome to Kamino, may I take your order?"

"Yes, I'd like a large clone army for the republic with extra growth acceleration and can you make them less independent than the original host?"

"Sure, anything else for you?"

"OH, and can I get a side clone with no gene tampering?"

"It'll be $2.99 at the first window. Oh wait, we pay you, my bad. (Still don't see the logic in that.)"

 

It's possible Jango is being payed through the Kamino cloners through the money given to them by the original buyer. The conversation wasn't about who was paying, after all, but what the payment was. I highly doubt it was Jango they sent to place the order, either. I think it was more that a contract was set up, and then they hired Jango to do it.

 

The republic are paying the cloners for the clones, and the cloners are paying Jango for the DNA.

Yeah it was Dooku, Jango revealed it in the film when he said he was under Tyrannus,

 

redundant thread or rather in my case post alert

the above is an easy assumption to come to but it has flaws.

here's the best i can come up with, please correct any details, but please limit them to facts, or speculation, but please be specific as to which is which.

i was just pointing out that people are quick to say where this particular enigma is concerned, "this is how it happened for fact".

when in-fact we have very very few facts to go on.

is it impossible that it was someone elses idea?

no.

incredibly unlikely?

yes.

the thing is the dialoge in AotC bettween obi-wan and mace/yoda implies he has only heard of syfo-dias.

it also suggests he has no first hand knowlage of his death, as if it happened 'before his time'.

this may be nothing or it may be important.

could this just be very clumbsy dialoge?

of course it could.

the thing is, dooku's only role in this that is even on the expanded universe site is the one other verified fact:

he is the one who hired jengo.

we don't know so it is open to speculation.

from official sources we know one other thing:

the person who ordered the clones and the person who erased the files were seein on screen in ep2.

we do not even have it verified that they were the same person.

anything other than these few scant facts is assumption or speculation.



the likely scenerio seems to be as follows:

sidious told dooku to order the clones.

having either known of his death or killed him, dooku used syfo-dias name to order them from the kaminoans.

dooku hires jengo to be the template under his sith name tyrannus.

dooku erases the files on kamino.

this is a scenerio that fits most but not all of the facts.

because under this scenerio 1 of 2 things are true, neither of which are implied by the movie:

first, either dooku then sneaks back into the jedi temple and erases the record of kamino, or he has someone else do it.

second, the time line is a mess.

if syfo-dias died 'before that' in reference to 10 years ago then dooku knows he's dead.

dooku supposedly left the jedi order after qui-gon's death, and his death was the catalist for this departure.

it is strongly implied however not a fact that dooku was not seduced to the darkside while he was still a jedi.

the reason it holds up is that 10 years ago while he was a jedi darth maul was still alive.

the rule of two kinda prevents sidious from trying to make him an apprentice before he left.

so either we believe an insanely messy time line and assume dooku also somehow errased the files, or there is more to this than meets the eye.

 

I just posted this in another thread but I'll copy and paste it here as well.



Syfo-Dias was a real Jedi Master who was killed/died.
Someone used his name to order the clones.
The person who ordered the clones needed a clone template.
Jango was the clone template.
Jango to Obi-Wan in AOTC, "I was hired by a man named Tyrannus."
Tyrannus was once Count Dooku.
Count Dooku was once a Jedi.
Only a Jedi could have erased the Jedi archive about Kamino.
Kamino was where the clones were grown.

Count Dooku ordered the clones. Not that hard to figure out.

 

and as i possted in the other thread, put a time line together and it is impossible for him to be responsible for all of those actions.

dooku could not have done everything you listed, unless one of two things is true:

sidious broke the rule of 2.

the jedi let dooku have free run of the jedi temple after he left the jedi order.

which do you chose to believe to keep your over simplification alive?