Osvald Teshik......framed?

I having been reading wookiepedia lately and it came to my conclusion that Osvald Teshik one of the Emperors Grand Admirals was unjustly exrcuted by the Rebel Alliance for "inhuman atrocities committed against the citizens of the galaxy",...wth? Why was this man executed and for what crimes, from what I ahev read on wookiepedia he doesn't seem to be such a bad guy, pretty tame and compaasionate compared to many of the "evil cronies" serving under Palpatine. Heck, teshik had much of his body replaced after he failed to nail that reb privateer dude and the Empeor sent him on a literal suicide mission against the Hapans.

He was ostracized by the Empipre due to his new and "REQUIRED" implants and prosthetics but he still served with diginity even after the death star was destroyed, fighting on for 4 more hours. What the hell did he do during his career that caused the rebs to whack him?

As suggested below, use of that acronym isn't allowed. Changed it to wth

 

The fact he was a Grand Admiral was pretty much enough at this point. The Rebellion chose to execute him because they wanted to make an example of an Imperial war criminal to the entirety of the galaxy. There's no evidence he didn't engage in plenty of activities that were worthy of execution like invading another planet for purposes of conquest or battlefield executions. The fact he showed compassion could just make him "jerk" instead of "slobbering psychopath" by comparison.

Nevertheless, the Rebellion gained a lot of legitimacy I imagine by trying and executing one of Palpatine's henchmen.

 

You ought to change that to "WTH" instead; the F is still considered swearing.

 

Also, the mechanical laughter with which he greeted the verdict makes it sounds as though Teshik was in no fit psychological state to stand trial...

But really, we can't know what the exact circumstances were - and most of the sources are in-universe, as well, aren't they...?

 

Yeah all of the sources are in-universe so they are probably biased one way or another.

 

In general. I think its clear that in-universe sources are supposed to be taken as true until proven otherwsie.

 

He was the highest ranking Imperial the rebels got their dirty hands on.

And wouldn't you laugh, too, if a bunch of terrorists claiming to fight for freedom and justice sentences you to death even if you didn't commit a crime?

 

I think if I'm a smart man, I'd probably recognize that my government does the same for them with far more frequency.

Can you really fault the rebellion for turnabout if you're an Imperial?

Why would you expect mercy from individuals you've never shown any.

 

The cheapskates cremate their feeble fallen. Toothpicks and matches, that costs nothing!

 

What's wrong with the F?

 

Think about what it stands for in the context of WT_

 

I never understood the desire for such expletives. Why use mundane eng whose words can have as much as three different meanings, when you could metaphorise Star Wars into your speech. Do you flower what I'm saying?

 

I recently had to convince my non-IT co-workers that it stood for "Where's the Fun". I don't think they'd appreciate having such words in the code.

Came up right with it on the spot.

 

Why would the word be in the code anyway?

 

Empire vs. Rebellion arguments? Now where have I seen this before . . . ?

 

The wording of the charges against Teshik reminds me of the Nuremberg Trials and the precedent they had set to try military commanders for war crimes and "crimes against humanity"--does that sound familiar now? Doenitz, Keitel, von Manstein, Guderian and others who were more professional soldiers than party hangmen had all been tried and imprisoned (or executed). I suspect the NR's motive is more or less the same as that of the victorious Allies: to reframe the war as not only as a political conflict, but as a moral struggle. Furthermore, it implies a judgment on war itself as criminal except in the case of self-preservation. (I know, I know, slippery ground here...)

I agree, but for a different reason. The trial itself, rather than the prestige of the tried, is what accounts for the legitimacy, considering the Empire has had its share of summary executions. Whoever has the power to judge is the legitimate power in society.

In sum, Teshik does seem to be a decent and sympathetic character compared to some other nuts running around the Empire. I am surprised that he hasn't lost his rank, cyborg body and failed mission notwithstanding. Anyway, there is gallantry and tragedy in his last stand at Endor. As for the metallic laughter...it is the final gesture of contempt from a man who has been heaped with enough obloquy by the previous regime to fear any more from the succeeding one.

 

As if 'hell' is any better.
You folks got it all backwards...

 

Well, for starters...

(Begins defense of New Republic)

Oh hell, I don't have the energy for this today.

Anything Jello says I usually have the opposite opinion to.

--Adm. Nick

 

And I lean Corellian, so I just tend to watch these Imperial/Rebel skirmishes from the sidelines.

 

Counterpoint,

The Republic didn't recognize the Empire's legitimacy. It's one of those things that is bizarre in hindsight because there's nothing equivalent to it in our history. Basically though, the New Republic declared itself a government but never once attempted to recognize the Empire in the Core Worlds was a rival government. The Empire was illegal in their opinion and a government that was holding the Republic's worlds hostage.

In effect, the Republic frames the conflict in the Empire being the aggressor. The New Republic was reclaiming the worlds held by the Republic FOR the Republic as its successor state. The Empire had no title or claim to these planets as a state that had wrongfully overthrown it.

It's an audacious claim but certainly no worse than the Empires.

And no offense, what "crimes he didn't commit?" HE WAS A GRAND ADMIRAL. The Rebellion would be perfectly justified in executing him and all of Palpatine's upper staff on the basis of being the party responsible for the Empire's relentless campaigns of military aggression to begin with.

 

I'm demonstrating my opinion that it's ridiculous to come down hard on the Rebellion for its stated dogma of treating the Empire as an illegal government/terrorist organization/occupation force or whatever you want to call it. Especially if you want to do it by comparison with the Empire.

It's NEVER claimed that they viewed the Empire as a legitimate government nor has it EVER attempted to make an offer of peaceful co-existence with the Empire. It's always made it's peace offers entirely within the bonds of surrender, pardon, and coaching within the confines of criminal law.

It's not hypocrisy if you've NEVER STATED OTHERWISE that you intended to give mercy to Imperial officers as legitimate enemy combatants. It's easy to point to Teshik and Bevel Lemisk to say "Oh those awful Republicans!" but I also recognize how nasty wartime is and their actions are far better than the Empires by far.

Since Day-1, the New Republic's goal (of varying levels of importance but always on teh agenda) it's been "Annihilate the Last Remnants of the Empire."

Also, I don't see how it's any morally superior to treat Teshik as anything other than a soldier for a criminal organization. Why is it better to consider the Empire something that warrants consideration as a government? It's certainly given no reason to view it as anything but a group of conquistadors.

 

It's not a matter of belief in the slightest. It's a matter of facts.

The Republic doesn't have to recognize the Empire as a legitimate government to be morally superior to the Empire. They're better because they don't massacre civilians, crush descent, or engage in a rampaging campaign of fear. It'd be betraying the moral superiority of the Rebellion TO recognize the Empire because their entire morality is based on not letting the Empire get away with its rampages across the galaxy.

Teshik doesn't DESERVE any mercy because he WAS a criminal. I'm not getting the justification that a person whom works for a government that ignores all the laws of other countries gets to be tried by the laws of his nation as opposed to the laws of another nation. Plenty of legal precedent in our world says that's not how it works. Especially when the crimes are committed in a foreign land (presumably every world conquered by the empire that Teshik was involved in).

Now while it may offend your sensibilities that the Rebellion considers itself the legitimate government and the Empire as an illegal one. The fact remains that the Imperial government had never recognized the Rebellion as a government and the standard rules of war can't really apply because the entire point of the war is the dissolution of the Empire as the stated goal Teshik could have been imprisoned until the end of the Imperial conflict but that's not really legally permissable given that he's not registered as a combatant since the war is based on the premise that the Empire itself is a crime.

He certainly qualifies as a member of the Inner Circle of the Empire after all.