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PT Padme's destiny

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by ss640, Jan 10, 2018.

  1. ss640

    ss640 Jedi Knight star 1

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    In ROTS, Anakin's visions about Padme's death are slightly different to what we see actually happening. Interestingly enough, the soundtrack of Padme's funeral is titled 'Padme's destiny'.

    So, what I'm trying to get at is it didn't matter if Anakin stayed in the light or dark, was Padme destined to die in childbirth no matter what happens? I just found the use the high modality of 'destiny' in naming the music of her funeral very profound, as if it was an inevitable fate and that was the end of the road for her regardless. And perhaps the visions he saw were of a different path, different choices, but still the same outcome hence the slight differences.

    I personally hope not becuz that'd be a bit too depressing ( Poor Padme and Anakin :() but that's just a personal reason. In terms of the entire story holistically it'd be a truly tragic truth.
     
  2. firesaber

    firesaber Jedi Master star 4

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    I would say no. Yoda covered this with the future always being in motion as it pertained to Luke's vision in the ESB. Anakin saw A future, not the future but could not reconcile what he was seeing with what he was doing and failed to realize he was creating a self fulfilling prophecy.
     
  3. Valency Jane

    Valency Jane Force Ghost star 6

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    Very interesting, never thought about this before. I think Padme and Anakin were sadly doomed from the start. After what happened to his mom, there was no way that Anakin wasn't going to take those visions of Padme dying in childbirth seriously, even if he had left the Jedi order by then and they'd come clean about their relationship. Even if he'd left the Jedi order before having the visions of his mom dying & getting into a relationship with Padme, what it boils down to is the weight that Anakin puts on those visions coming true, because they did come true for Shmi, that he still would've turned to the dark side to try and save Padme. =((:_|
     
  4. JEDI-RISING

    JEDI-RISING Chosen One star 6

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  5. ss640

    ss640 Jedi Knight star 1

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    Hmm yes this is true. I still do wonder why they named her funeral song Padme's Destiny then. It could of been anything, Padme's funeral, Padme's death, Padme's burial. Interesting choice of words.
     
  6. G-FETT

    G-FETT Chosen One star 7

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    No. Anakin made his worst nightmare come true (Padme's death) when he turned to the dark side to save her.

    Like a Greek Tragedy.
     
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  7. Subtext Mining

    Subtext Mining Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    One factor I would throw in is the infamous track from the TPM soundtrack titled Qui-Gon's Funeral which outraged fans due to the spoiler. I think I heard somewhere Williiams titled it thusly to avoid repeating the blunder.


    @darkspine10 may be able to confirm.
     
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  8. darkspine10

    darkspine10 Chosen One star 8

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    That's new info to me actually. It makes sense though, the Qui-Gon's Noble End blunder is one he probably wouldn't want to repeat.


    Looking at the original cue titles, both of those titles stand for TPM, while the ROTS track covering Padme's death was the blunt 'The Death of Padme'. So at least whoever re-titled the album version wanted to keep a little mystery to it, unlike with TPM.

    Also, Padme's Destiny plays over Padme's death, while the separate track Padme's Funeral (unreleased) plays over... well, the funeral.
     
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  9. Jedi Knight Fett

    Jedi Knight Fett Chosen One star 10

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    What did Padme do other then fall in love with Anakin and have the twins? I mean other then the Senator queen thing
     
  10. Darth Eisner

    Darth Eisner Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I think not. Maybe the track refers to her destiny of dying if she fell in love with Anakin.
     
  11. StartCenterEnd

    StartCenterEnd Jedi Grand Master star 3

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    My ROTS soundtrack lists Anakin's dream and Birth of the twins/A New Hope as the tracks where the music from Anakin's dream of Padme and Padme's deathl music plays...
     
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  12. Dannik Jerriko

    Dannik Jerriko Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I think that the choice of song title has more to do with the order in which the movies were released. Because we met Darth Vader and Padme's motherless children in the OT, the audience were already aware that Padme would meet her demise during or shorlty after the events of the PT.

    As for Padme's death during childbirth being set in stone, I would not like to think that this is the case. Certainly, Anakin was prophesied to bring balance to the force. As we know, Anakin fulfilled this prophecy by killing the emperor and ending lineage of the Sith. If the events leading up to this outcome were already predetermined, then it follows that Padme's death was her unavoidable destiny. Of course, if we accept such determinism, it would also follow that Anakin's fall to the dark side was inevitable, as were the majority (or all) of the events of the PT. I don't like this line of thinking, as it seems to absolve all characters of their moral responsibilities and robs all characters of their virtuous acts.
     
  13. ss640

    ss640 Jedi Knight star 1

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    very true!
    I think @Subtext Mining is right, Williams probably didn't want to give away her death when the soundtrack came out. I read too much into it
     
  14. ss640

    ss640 Jedi Knight star 1

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    Was it originally titled the death of Padme? Ha wow i always thought they were the titles you see on YT. You learn something new everyday! Thanks
     
  15. Flamewar

    Flamewar Jedi Youngling

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    That's the worst part of ROTS from the standpoint of someone who likes the characters from the prequel trilogy. They all have to become what they are in the originals or die before those begin.
     
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  16. Jedi Knight Fett

    Jedi Knight Fett Chosen One star 10

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    I wish she had a destiny.
     
  17. yodaman_reborn

    yodaman_reborn Jedi Master star 2

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    Padme is the lotus flower.
    The lotus flower is a symbol of compassion.
    Passion means to suffer. Co means with. Compassion means to suffer with.
    Padme’s destiny is to suffer with...
     
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  18. CLee

    CLee Jedi Knight star 3

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    I Love this interpretation =P~ And I think I've had it in mind since first watching the film.
    Well, yeah, of course it's sad if it would happen but it's also pretty fascinating that while in Revenge of the Sith Lucas (effectively) does the classic self-fulfilling prophecy, that Anakin in trying to prevent something causes it, that there's also those differences and thus Padme probably would have died anyway are a great argument against it being purely self-fulfilling prophecy. At least it was an important acknowledgment that while Anakin being bad led to a lot of suffering, bad events and suffering can and do happen even to people who haven't chosen to do bad (and that Anakin's wasn't acting against just his fears but something that actually would happen or at least a very rational fear).

    I think Yoda was being pretty dishonest with that claim. If Luke hadn't gone to try to rescue them they very likely would, as Yoda soon thereafter admitted, indeed die.

    I think the saga pretty strongly argues for both fate/destiny and free will so it's not clear how they relate to each other ... maybe the future has a general path but not all of the particulars are predetermined.
     
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  19. DarthTalonx

    DarthTalonx Jedi Master star 4

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    To be incredible.

    Let's face it she kinda is. Got to love Padme. Natalie Portman really rocked as Senator Amidala. Maybe in some Mirror Star Wars universe, Padme is some Empress Sato like figure.

    We have the power to win the support of the galaxy! The Chancellor has foreseen it. With our combined strength, we can end the corruption of the Senate, the inaction of the Jedi, the ignorance of the Coruscanti to the plight of smaller worlds. Join me and together we will rule the galaxy as Emperor and Empress!
     
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