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Pirates of the Carribbean: One Eyed Willie

Discussion in 'Archive: SF&F: Films and Television' started by Kol_Skywalker, Jul 21, 2009.

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  1. Kol_Skywalker

    Kol_Skywalker Jedi Padawan star 4

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    One thing that I believe that has never been attempted in the film industry is to combine / link / crossover franchises (apart from comic-book movies), especially those that would combine films produced by different studios.

    In the current economic climate, I think that it would be a brilliant strategy for studios to combine resources and film franchises ... IF done properly, and with care.

    I'll provide one example: Why not combine Disney's "Pirates of the Caribbean" with Warner Brothers "The Goonies"?

    The fourth "Pirates" movie could be about Jack Sparrow vs. One Eyed Willie, with the film ending with OEW setting all the traps, etc. that features in "The Goonies".

    The next movie would be a sequel to "The Goonies", and could feature Johnny Depp as a modern day descendant of Jack Sparrow acting as the villain vs. the grown up Goonies, once again needing to save their town. Perhaps in this film, they would act as the parents with their kids as the protagonists.

    I just got inspired about this idea after watching "The Goonies" today after about a decade. Couldn't believe / remember / didn't realise that a young Josh Brolin was in the film.

    Thoughts?

    What are your ideas for combined film franchises? And please, serious ideas! :)

    Do you ever think that this sort of proposition would be feasible, both by the studios, and the movie going audience?
     
  2. Merlin_Ambrosius69

    Merlin_Ambrosius69 Jedi Master star 5

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    Frankly, Kol, it's an imaginative idea, but the differences in tone and style between the Goonies and PotC create an insurmountable cross-genre roadblock, IMO. Specifically, in PotC, magic and the gods of the sea are real and purposeful forces. In the Goonies, mechanical forces, not magical, are the order in this thoroughly modern kid's adventure. There is a sense of mystery associated with the past, certainly, but there are no on-screen sorcerous curses or mythic powers invoked. Also, PotC at its ugliest is considerably more vile and violent; contrast the rotting undead and hideous squid-persons with the bleached white unmoving skeletons, and grotesque-yet-cheerful mutant-good-guy, in the invariably silly and light-hearted Goonies.
     
  3. Koohii

    Koohii Jedi Master star 5

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    Makes as much sense to me as Aliens vs Predator, Terminator vs Robocop, or Terminator vs Predator.
    As for the style... OEW would have needed magic to create 1/2 of those traps without modern technology, because he didn't have the manpower to do it with brute labor.
    And he did face off against an armada of "billions of ships". ;) (OK, that was probablly childish exageration)
     
  4. Kol_Skywalker

    Kol_Skywalker Jedi Padawan star 4

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    What other film franchises would you seriously combine, apart from the mediocre cross-genre attempts such as the XXX vs. YYY format?
     
  5. Merlin_Ambrosius69

    Merlin_Ambrosius69 Jedi Master star 5

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    Aliens and Predator are both entrenched in the extraterrestrial action/horror sub-genres. (Another example of this would be War of the Worlds.) Terminator and Robocop are firmly moored to the robotic/cybernetic action-adventure sub-genre. (Another example of this would be The Matrix.) There is no cross-genre roadblock set up among or between any of these films or franchises. If you mix one with the other, say Terminator with Predator, you've crossed sub-genres, but at least they are both science fiction/action and it only takes a short leap to get from one to the other.

    Mixing a children's modern pirate PG-rated mystery-adventure with a period costume PG13-rated action-fantasy is crossing sub-genres and (IMO) should not be done.
     
  6. Koohii

    Koohii Jedi Master star 5

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    How about Knight Rider and the Transformers? For real fun, use all 3 KnightRider shows.
    Transformers come to the aid of the Robotech wars?
    GIJoe vs Transformers? (oh wait, that's been done at least twice now)
    Sabrina the Teenaged Witch and Charmed?
    How about Terminator vs Grey's Anatomy? The freedom fighters hope to improve humanity's readiness for war by wiping out the dead weight idiots of the medical world, and the Machines send terminators back to guard Grace Hospital.
    Predator and Indianna Jones?
    HitchHiker's Guide to the Galaxy and Earth Girls Are Easy
    Firefly and Babylon 5
    Buffy and Twilight and True Blood and Moonlight and Forever Knight and every other frickin' vampire TV show.
    Buffy and Supernatural
    ER vs Chicago Hope vs Grey's Anatomy vs 3lbs vs House vs all the other hospital dramas
     
  7. Merlin_Ambrosius69

    Merlin_Ambrosius69 Jedi Master star 5

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    Terrific! While we're at it, why not combine Happy Days with American Graffiti? Ron Howard can play both of his characters, Ritchie Cunningham and Steve Bolander. Actually, it's a road movie with Bob Falfa (you know, Harrison Ford) driving the car with everyone piled in the back, and Fonzie riding his motorbike, with Laverne and Shirley bringing up the rear, and they all wind up in Mayberry, where Opie whines to Andy that ... oh, nevermind.
    The new movie Hulk with the old TV show Hulk? Have the two Hulks battle it out. Lou Ferrigno gets crushed to a lime-green heap in five seconds flat.
    The Matrix with Speed Racer? It writes itself.
    Batman with Scooby-Doo (why not? Hannah-Barbera did it. Twice.)
    Harry Potter with NARNIA. We all had to see this one coming. Harry gets transported to Narnia alongside the Pevensey children, and whilst using spells to obliterate their enemies, keeps complaining that he's stuck with a bunch of Muggles in a fantasy world that gets all the creatures wrong.

    Aaaaaaand I'm done. For the moment.

     
  8. Koohii

    Koohii Jedi Master star 5

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    You know, I should have seen those. Must have been tired. Thanks for the ideas, Merlin-A

    Oh, How about the "Mariachi Trilogy" or whatever it's called and Spy Kids! 8yo kids curse and swear like there's no tomorrow and the curse jar is fed into their candy supply. They shoot up adults, blow out kneecaps with high-tech equipment and lasers, and tell potty jokes to their computers. Finally, the adult villain with a brain gets bored and breaks out a rocket launcher, sending a flaming napalm shell into each of the kids' crotches. The children burn and scream as they die. And the audience rejoices.
    F.H.E. puts in a "violence doesn't solve anything" commentary, and the drug dealer mentions that "crime doesn't pay", and in a fit of remorse, blows his head off by swallowing a bullet, thus guarenteeing that the actor won't be forced to come back in the sequel.
    Blood, gore, and other body fluids everywhere.
     
  9. Merlin_Ambrosius69

    Merlin_Ambrosius69 Jedi Master star 5

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    Sounds great, but you forgot to mention that the climactic suicide takes place inside a speeding boat. After he dies the boat careens into the side of an oil rig, exploding the enormous locale and rocketing the remaining children -- who had escaped from the napalm -- into the stratosphere in a final, bird's-eye-view of the kids tumbling up into the sky, dead as doornails. Sylvester Stallone stars.

    I've got another one: Religulous Basterds. Bill Maher leads a crack squad of atheistic marauders, who deploy into hotbeds of religion and lay down a suppressing fire with their anti-theistic rhetoric, and also their incinerators, burning those nasty theists into oblivion. Hilarity ensues.
     
  10. Koohii

    Koohii Jedi Master star 5

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    Now THAT I'd pay money to see.
     
  11. Kol_Skywalker

    Kol_Skywalker Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Fellow Australians will get this, maybe some English ...

    If we were to use the "vs." format, I would love to see:

    Harold vs. Alf! [face_praying] :D
     
  12. Soontir-Fel

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    You are all terrible.
     
  13. Darth_Omega

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    How about Battlestar Trek Gate Wars 5.
     
  14. Kol_Skywalker

    Kol_Skywalker Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I'd think that would work better if you left out Battlestar Galactica. Just had Star Trek, Stargate, Star Wars. Then you could call the crossover Star Star Star.
     
  15. Chancellor_Ewok

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    How about The Chronicles of Middel Earth: Harry Potter and the Ring of Doom. Harry, Ron, Hermione, Gandalf and Aslan do battle with Voldemort as he tries to acquire the Ring of Power.
     
  16. Merlin_Ambrosius69

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    That's awesome. I can imagine a scene in which Gandalf and Dumbledore glance at each other, mumble something under their breath, and continue about their business as though each had never noticed the other.

    Also, I would amend the title to The Chronicles of Middle Earth Part One: Harry Potter and the Doom Ring of Narnia. [face_laugh]
     
  17. Koohii

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    Don't forget that Indianna Jones would have to solve some of the traps for them by quoting obsure materials from Hogwarts restricted book room.
     
  18. Kol_Skywalker

    Kol_Skywalker Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Okay, it is partly my fault that this thread has got a little silly, I would like to discuss cross-franchise idea's properly. I think that the best way to achieve this in an interesting way, is to not focus on Franchise, but CHARACTER.

    For an example ... Al Pacino's cop character in 'HEAT' and ...
     
  19. Merlin_Ambrosius69

    Merlin_Ambrosius69 Jedi Master star 5

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    ... Indiana Jones?
     
  20. Kol_Skywalker

    Kol_Skywalker Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Indiana Jones and Phillip Marlowe and/or Rick Blaine ... how would that work?
     
  21. Merlin_Ambrosius69

    Merlin_Ambrosius69 Jedi Master star 5

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    Or Sam Spade...! Indiana Jones and the Maltese Falcon would be a direct sequel to both the MF and Raiders of the Lost Ark. Set in about 1941, Jones intercepts Gutman (aka the Fat Man) and Joel Cairo (the Peter Lorre character) in Turkey (after they skip bail in the US), while Spade (Bogart, of course, who is working as a bounty hunter to bring in the two crooks) is not amused by this newcomer (Indy) to the scene. They run afoul of each other and duke it out, with Jones getting the worst of it and barely escaping from Sam's punishing fists. Meanwhile Wilbur (aka the Gunsel) has escaped from prison and is tracking Spade on Gutman's behalf; Wilbur takes his revenge on Spade by locking him, handcuffed, in an abandoned mine shaft. Any minute a mine cart will rush by, finishing Spade! Indy soon learns that Spade is the key to discovering the resting place of the Falcon, and must rescue the private dick against his own better judgement. The two -- Indy and Sam, Ford and Bogart -- are compelled to work together to find the Falcon. The rest of the movie writes itself! Or maybe not.
     
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