Prince Xizor make in apprecince in the Phantom Menace.

I was reading the on Wikaspeada web Site (please forgive my spelling) that He makes some Apprecnes is in the movie I cannot find him but I know he is in the movie somehow. He is in one of the Podrace scenes. I don't know where to post him but I thougt this was a place to him since he is EU charctor.

Edit: Plus he may make into the Live action T.V. Series.

 

Supposedly they used a small figurine of him to fill out the background crowd of spectators in the podrace. But that really doesn't count as him being in the film, and as far as I know it's not even visible.

 

I don't know if using a toy for crowd shots makes one officially included.
This is sortof like saying the dude sitting behind Sebulba was Quinlan Vos. It wasn't, but was later retconned in.

I doubt it counts, but who knows?

 

I would think the Vos appearance would count more due to the fact that the guy's clearly visible and identical to Vos, but it does bring up the issue of why he didn't flag down Qui-Gon ( or vice versa ). If the official position is that it's Vos, I can go along with that. On the other hand I don't think the Xizor thing counts, but anyone's free to speculate that he in fact attended the race.

 

According to official sources, Quin recognized Qui-Gon when he walked past him in Mos Espa, but couldn't afford to break his cover, figuring that Qui-Gon had things relatively under control. Later, Vos learnt that Qui-Gon was in more dire straits than he believed at that moment, and mentioned to Aayla (IIRC) that -- in 20/20 hindsight -- he would've helped him.

 

According to official sources = retcon.

 

Vos was originally based on the appearance of that guy behind Sebulba, so I don't think it counts as a retcon, but more along the lines of expanding the background of an extra a la the Cantina characters....

 

I could but Xizor at a podrace, but I'll never buy Vos in Mos Espa and that Qui-gon doesn't notice him or sense him. Neither does Maul and Obi-wan? Come on!

The glorification of Quinlan Vos continues.

 

How is that glorification? All it means is that as far as the mains are concerned, Quinlan is a big zero in the Force.

 

Vos was never in Mos Espa, and that Kiffar who was, wasn't a Force sensitive Guardian despite appearing to hail from the same clan. Even after retcon it isn't Quin's fault, or Jinn's and certainly not Darth Maul's... lest we forget that there were Sith probe droids dispatched as well

What it really means is that retcon is dumb.

 

Glorification is nonsense; we have plenty of instances of Jedi not sensing each other in the same city, and we already known Quin and Tholme are both exceptional at cloaking themselves. Besides, who's to say Qui-Gon didn't notice him, but figured that if Quin wasn't reaching out, he was in deep enough cover and it was important enough that he shouldn't blow it?

 

That was always my assumption.

 

Well that's just lame. There are ways for Jedi to meet in secret even if they couldn't go say hi to each other there. Bottom line, that wasn't George's intent to put him in that scene and it wasn't Ostrander's intent to have him there. Retcon the retcon!

 

Ostrander was the one who wrote the retcon establishing that it was Quin on Tatooine. Star Hyperspace War, IIRC.

 

I don't want to believe that.

 

Your arrogance blinds you, Master Slayer.

 

Is the flashback in Twilight featuring Vos conversing with someone who looks suspiciously like Mat Rags on Tatooine a reference to his appearance in The Phantom Menace? The cause for my question lies in the New Essential Guide to Characters' statement that "Approximately a year into Palpatine's tenure as Supreme Chancellor, Vos and his Padawan uncovered evidence of a new strain of narcotic spice called gliteryll..." and Twilight seems to heavily imply that flashback is connected to the investigation. Could it have been that the fellow let slip some clues to Vos that eventually led to their discovery of harder evidence some months later?

 

I find it a lot easier retcon than the CCG est. minor background pilots in ROTJ with XW novel/comic characters.

 

Vos IS in TPM, though it wasn't intended to be him to begin with. As for Xizor, that's possible but it's the first I heard of it.

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Have any of you people even read Twilight?

2000's Twilight was the original source for Quinlan Vos (although I am well aware he had a cameo two issues earlier in Emissaries to Malastare #5). One of the issues has a flashback montage depicting, among other things, the exact screencap of Vos in the Mos Espa Cafe. Jan Duursema based her depiction of the character on this extra.

It's not a retcon if it was part of his backstory from the very beginning. It didn't come from an overenthusiastic RPG or Essential Guide and it occurred well before the modern "glorification" of Vos.

And as Havac and 2ndQuest mentioned, Stark Hyperspace War explains that Vos recognized Qui-Gon but did not blow his cover because he did not realize how dire the situation was. Evidently Qui-Gon didn't notice him--in that scene, Qui-Gon was making himself much more visible to Vos than vice versa, and perhaps Vos had been cloaking his Force presence or something since he was undercover.

 

"Nowwww... I will appreciate the full power of this reversed Retcon."

 

They should do a back story on how Xizor became the black sun prince!

 

Thank you. The Quinlan Vos backstory is no different than the backstories of Boba Fett, Wedge Antilles, or even Malkili (the rancor keeper in Jabba's palace). It's just following in the tradition of giving a story to a character that appeared onscreen. Besides, it's not as if Vos is entirely EU; he's mentioned by name by Obi-Wan in ROTS.

Xizor's title of prince comes from a Falleen House of Royalty, not the Black Sun syndicate. But I see what you mean; it would be interesting. They've given hints in the first book of the Coruscant Nights series, which I thought was pretty cool. I'd love to see a novel solely devoted to him, though.

 

Right, because Vos is so much more powerful and observant than Qui-gon. It's a wonder how Vos didn't anticipate everything happening and just stop it right then and there. In fact, if only Qui-gon hadn't have taken Anakin away the all powerful Quinlan Vos could have taken Anakin himself and trained him properly and saved the galaxy and killed the Emperor and Dooku and married Padme, had lots of kids, showed the Jedi how to have attachments and be selfless... Stupid Qui-gon!

Besides, we all know Tatooine was this crazy backwater world people had hardly heard of let alone been to from the Republic and of course Ostrander would have to have Vos show up there first.

 

Now where did I say anything along those lines? Rewind to a couple of years ago and I was one of Vos' strongest detractors.

It's not a matter of being observant. Think about the scene in question. Qui-Gon is standing out in the street with Anakin, Jar Jar, and Sebulba. Jar Jar is making a spectacle of himself. Wouldn't Vos tend to notice Qui-Gon more than Qui-Gon would notice Vos sitting quietly at a table minding his own business? Qui-Gon had much more pressing concerns (short term: Anakin, long term: Amidala) than searching random bystanders for people he knows or poking around for other Force presences.

Conversely, Vos had no way of knowing that Qui-Gon was in such dire straits. In the absence of such knowledge, he didn't want to blow his own cover, nor interfere with whatever cover/mission Qui-Gon was on. SHW explicitly says, from Ostrander via Vos' dialogue, that he would have shown himself if he knew what was really going on.

Sure, it's a little awkward--the statistical odds of such a coincidence are low, and you could say there's some other way Vos could have contacted him (Force nudge or something)--but not at all insurmountable compared to some of the continuity headdesks we routinely deal with.