Qel-Droma legacy

Acc to the Wookieepedia, Sedriss QL is a descendant of ULIC! (Source, Fact Files)

Huh? How did Ulic have a child? I don't see when he could have gotten Aleema or Nomi pregnant, in the confines of the comics. How is this supposed to have happened?

Also, about the name "Qel-Droma," LOTF had a Jedi character named "Qel-Bertuk". Is this supposed to be a Jedi "High Galactic" name? I would think Jedi-given names were to help separate Jedi from their famili identity, so its hard to imagine three kinsmen being given the same last name by the Jedi, and I don't know of any evidence such practice was even in place so far back. Is the "Qel-" prefix an Alderaanian thing? Do Alderaanians use Old High Galactic names? Is Lanius an Alderaanian?

Just food for thought. And answer if you know ANYTHING.

 

Factfile is usually not a good enough source by itself, some of it is based on outdated or erroneous information that has since been overwritten.

Case in point: Celly Organa

Factfile has her as Bail Organa's wife, though all the other sources has her as his sister and this was before ROTS brought in Breha.

Factfile is good, but it needs a cross-reference to make it legit. And I cannot recall anything in DE that says Sedriss is descended from Ulic Qel-Droma.

 

Wasn't the Great Sith War actually meant to last a lot longer than it appears in the comics? The comics make it seem like a brief, if intense, conflict, yet it has since been established to have lasted several years. From that point of view I imagine it's not impossible for Ulic to have fathered a child with Aleema during the off-page events, albeit it's still probably unlikely.

Can't say I'm particuarly keen on the idea though. Well, let me put that another way, I can't say I particuarly see the significance of whether Sedriss was related to Ulic or not. After four thousand years there could be millions of people able to trace some part of their family tree back to the Qel-Dromas, so it seems rather a trivial point really.

 

Ulic did live before and after the Great Sith War(3997-3996 BBY) and there were other women in the galaxy, not just Aleema Keto and Nomi Sunrider, so he should have had enough opportunities to procreate.

And after these many years, there might be billions of descendants, so it's not like it would really matter anything whether Ulic is among Sedriss' ancestors or not. Same with the current speculation about Zayne Carrick and the Skywalkers.

 

IIRC, there was nothing in the comics to suggest that Ulic had anytime to father offspring, unless it was with either Aleema or Nomi. Aleema's got a much better chance of being the one, though we never see her preggers.

Interesting note about Aleema:

How? What? When?

 

Just because they share the same last name.

 

Ahh, that's why all the Antilles are related as well.

 

No, but they did place several of these characters sharing names and titles with TOTJ characters in the PT products. Like duke Teta in the film itself. It's probably the same like with the possible "ancestors" in KOTOR; there might be a connection or not. But in the case of well known Core aristocratic family names, there probably is a connection, which doesn't have to mean that this Jedi was descended from Aleema herself, she might well be a descendant of some distant relative.

Think it like this: Antilles is the equivalent of Smith in SW, Keto is probably more like equivalent of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha. If we have two people with a last name of Antilles, there is no need to expect them to be related (even when they might be), when in the case of the last name Keto there almost certainly will be a some kind of connection, even when it might be distant.

 

I knew that about Antilles, eh, let's not go there. That's why I put it there. And how do we know that Keto was not common later on?

But that's off topic.

As for Sedriss, we don't even have a surname to go on so I don't know where Factfile got it's info from. Maybe from KJA himself as he was involved with DE wasn't he?

 

When Wookieepedia says "may have been an ancestor", chances are they're basing it entirely on the fact that they share a last name. See also: Gunner Yage - Arien Yage, and other cases with nothing but speculation.

 

You were the one to bring Antilles up, I tried to answer politely by taking them as a starting point - and yes, I was pretty certain that you did know that about them - and you insult me. Thank you, I probably deserved that by trying to answer to your question.

What has the surname got to do with it? Sedriss can be descended from Ulic without having Qel-Droma as a last name. Nyet.

 

Fact File, as crappy as it can on occasion be, remains canon. If it screws up, fine, it screws up. Davin and Cherith Fel didn't die at the Battle of Ithor no matter what it says. But if it establishes something new -- like Sedriss originally being named Qaga Lok and descended from Ulic -- then it's canon. So . . . Ulic knocked up somebody somewhere sometime.

 

How about those ten years after the Sith War? It doesn't take long to father a child.

 

I thought Ulic was by himself during those ten year of exile?

 

Wow -- I didn't know Sedriss had a "real" name or had anything interesting going for him besides the fact that he was a blue rock star. I always wanted more background on the guy. Maybe this will be retconned into something more someday.

 

don't pay me any mind. my brain is scrambled right now.


Is Sedriss a supposed to be a direct descendant of Ulic or are they just using Ulic's name since he is the most famous of te Qel-Droma.

 

That was his point. There was absolutely nothing to go on. Most of this sort of speculation comes from shared surnames, like Roan Fel and possible Jag Fel girlfriend Jaina Solo. Although, if I'm interpreting Havac right, and FactFile just throws stuff into the canon willy-nilly, then I guess we don't need even a surname to begin speculating relationships between anyone in the Galaxy. I'm calling it now: Dass and Bomo share a common ancestor!

In other news, does anyone else think the NEGC pic of Sedriss
makes him look like some sort of bad goth/cyberpunk version of Desire?

 

How does FactFile just "throw" things in canon if they do not just go and connect two persons because of a shared last name, but create a connection between two characters who based on their appearances in EU have no connection between each other? In this case it seems more deliberate thing to do, unlike if one would go and connect Ketos from different eras. Certainly someone has to have more in mind in a case like this.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if that wasn't a Veitch invention. There are many, many connections between Tales of the Jedi and Dark Empire.

(Notice Oron Kira II as a blatant example)

 

Heh.

I'd say in the comics that it is a brief, if intense conflict. Nothing "seems like" about it.

For them to last several years (which I readily admit I'd prefer), the depiction of the war in the comics would have to be taken with a heavy grain of salt.

Gotta agree here.

 

Any opportunity they can find to take 2 reasonably independent characters and associate them as closely as possible...they will do.

The whole phenomenon of "might be related" wookie blurbs are an obvious indication from fandom in general that if possible, LFL is expected to make such a connection.

In the end, there are 6 families that direct the course and flow of galactic history...heroes are dynastic...courage is inbred.

It's kind of like the "Kyle Katarn is a descendant of Revan" stuff...nonsense...but fans can easily see LFL doing it...they post is out there...LFL sees it...assumes fans want it...then we'll get some wild tale of how Katarn discovers his blood is that of Dark Lord/Great Jedi from 4000 years ago...

Because of course, ALL heroes are related.

Unless you are a sion of the Force...but then you've got your own dynasty to breed up.

 

Isn't he already supposed to be the reincarnation of Lord Hoth or something like that?

 

case...in...point.

 

Actually, no, he just experienced visions in which he was Tal, a Ruusan Jedi Master. Just a kind of Force connection between the two, maybe Tal's spirit aiding Kyle. No reincarnation.

 

I call Droma as Ulic's descendant!

Droma Qel-Droma!