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Lit Question about Sedriss and Ulic

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Slowpokeking, Jan 26, 2014.

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  1. Slowpokeking

    Slowpokeking Jedi Master star 5

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    Sedriss was a descendent of Ulic, but wasn't Ulic childless? Or he had some unknown romance?
     
  2. Revanfan1

    Revanfan1 Force Ghost star 6

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    Maybe Aleema lived longer than we thought. :p
     
  3. AusStig

    AusStig Force Ghost star 5

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    Where did you get this info?

    Though if I had to guess/retcon, just Aleema have a child in the expanded Great Sith War timeline
     
  4. LelalMekha

    LelalMekha Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    The answer lies in the question. If Ulic had a descendant, then he was not childless. ;-)
     
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  5. DarthJenari

    DarthJenari Jedi Master star 4

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    Yeah i've always wondered why no one's ever seen fit to expand upon this factoid. Seems like someone just threw it in and forgot about it. I see 2 options. Uliq and Aleema had a child and it got lost in the war, or Uliq had a child with a concubine of some sort and simply never knew about it.
     
  6. Gorefiend

    Gorefiend Chosen One star 5

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  7. General Immodet

    General Immodet Jedi Master star 5

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    I have wondered about that question too.
    Maybe he was not a direct descendant of Ulic?
     
  8. Ulicus

    Ulicus Lapsed Moderator star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    The concept of an "indirect descendant" is one of the silliest things I've ever come across, and I laugh that it's even a 'thing' at all. :p

    It reeks of people being disappointed to have discovered that historical figure X is "only" their great-great-great uncle, and desperately scrabbling for a way to twist them into an ancestor, even though they're not.

    ...

    So, actually, yeah. That would suit Sedriss perfectly. [face_thinking][face_laugh]
     
  9. LelalMekha

    LelalMekha Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    This actually reminds me when Dacre Stoker "wrote"--with the help of "Ian Holt"--a sequel to Bram Stoker's Dracula. Everywhere on ye olde Interwebs, people were calling him "Bram' Stoker's descendant"... except that you're not a descendant of your great-grand-uncle. If you are, then your great-grand-aunt has some splainin to do.
     
  10. General Immodet

    General Immodet Jedi Master star 5

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    Maybe they meant descendant in terms of "being inspired by"/"following the same style/ideology"...
    Still, that would make things even more complicated.
     
  11. DigitalMessiah

    DigitalMessiah Chosen One star 6

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    I'm not sure which is more annoying: that Sedriss is supposed to be a descendant of someone that narratively had no children and thus no descendants, or that Luke runs into the descendants of Nomi Sunrider and Ulric Qel-Droma in the same story.


    What are we going to learn next, that Palpatine was a descendant of Exar Kun and the Skywalkers are descendants of Andur Sunrider (but not Nomi).
     
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  12. LelalMekha

    LelalMekha Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I can't see why we should consider that annoying. It's not because we weren't explictely told that Master John Doe once had a brief affair with a Coruscanti barmaid that it didn't happen. The Jedi Code is against attachment, not against... you know.
     
  13. DigitalMessiah

    DigitalMessiah Chosen One star 6

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    Those things happening outside of the narrative are silly because they're generally important character moments. I dislike this idea that if for whatever reason it is decided ex post facto that a character had a child he just knocked a prostitute up. Especially if it doesn't really fit the character.

    I guess it is important that Sedriss is his descendant though despite having zero influence on the plot. So we'll just add this wrinkle to Ulic's character that also has zero influence on any plot, so essential guides and wookieepedia can claim Sedriss was his descendant, even though it makes zero difference one way or another.

    It is absolutely silly and serves no purpose.
     
  14. LelalMekha

    LelalMekha Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    You certainly are entitle to your opinion, which I respect. However, I don't feel--and it's nothing but my humble opinion--that not all details about a character have to be essential to the plot. Even descending from a famous Jedi Knight of old needn't be a plot device. He is because he is. He is because details that are irrelevant to the "plot of life" are still part of life.
     
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  15. DigitalMessiah

    DigitalMessiah Chosen One star 6

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    I guess I just thought expanding the universe wasn't making irrelevant and pointless connections between otherwise unrelated characters that does the opposite of expanding the universe but makes every important event occur to the same bloodlines.

    People seem to get upset with Lucas does it.
     
  16. LelalMekha

    LelalMekha Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    See it that way: the connection actually begs for being explored... By the way, Sedriss has never reappeared in any recent narrative work! Someone should use that opportunity!
     
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  17. DigitalMessiah

    DigitalMessiah Chosen One star 6

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    I see it as a double standard.
     
  18. _Catherine_

    _Catherine_ Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Omg, Sedriss. What a memorable, memorable character.

    I don't know why more Star Wars villains don't use their initials as the surname to their evil alias. Caedus JS would have been so much more natural.
     
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  19. DigitalMessiah

    DigitalMessiah Chosen One star 6

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    He's memorable for his punk aesthetic and space herpes.
     
  20. _Catherine_

    _Catherine_ Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    His heritage can probably be traced back to the Dark Reaper incident, which also doesn't fit with the story in the comics.
     
  21. DigitalMessiah

    DigitalMessiah Chosen One star 6

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    Well the Sith War timeline to me is what was presented in Tales of the Jedi, so I just can't believe that the Clone Wales multimedia project would overwrite it like that. It isn't canon to me.
     
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  22. Joe_Garelli

    Joe_Garelli Jedi Master star 1

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    Maybe Sedriss was descended from Cay Qel-Droma, Ulic's brother that Ulic murdered, so he is related by family blood, or maybe Ulic had a girlfriend before he trained as a jedi and got her pregnant, then went off on his adventures after that.
     
  23. Slowpokeking

    Slowpokeking Jedi Master star 5

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    He's a jerk then.
     
  24. Havac

    Havac Former Moderator star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Obviously, Uli's theory that Revan is the love child of Ulic and Nomi is true, meaning that Sedriss is descended from REVAN!
     
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  25. General Immodet

    General Immodet Jedi Master star 5

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    In the Middle Ages, kings and aristocrats liked to link their family line to important people.
    Those "important people" could either have really existed or act as characters in famous literary works.
    For example, the dukes of Brabant liked to link their family tree to Trojan characters of the Iliad or to persons such as Charles the Great.

    Perhaps, this could explain why they linked Sedriss to Ulic.
     
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