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Question about 'The Black Fleet Crisis'

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Destined-to-Fall, Jan 31, 2003.

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  1. Destined-to-Fall

    Destined-to-Fall Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Hey guys.
    I have just recently started getting into some of the Star Wars books, and now that I have I can't believe I hadn't done so earlier!
    Anyways, right now I am reading 'The Bounty Hunter Wars', and I was looking in the back at the book at the summeries of other novels. This is what I read for 'The Black Fleet Crisis':

    A restless Luke must journey to his mother's homeworld in a desperate quest to find her people...

    Are they refering to Naboo? Because never before have I heard any mention of the planet in the EU, and lot's of people believe that because it was never mentioned in the OT it no longer exists. (which in my opinon is ridiculous, just because something isn't shown or mentioned doesn't mean it is gone...whatever)
    Anyways, to anyone who has read this trilogy, can you let me know it it IS Naboo that is concerned in these books? Thanks so much.

    Chosen to Rise - Destined to Fall
     
  2. finaljump

    finaljump Jedi Youngling star 2

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    No, the books came out before George Lucas came out with details about Amidala and Naboo for Episode 1. The writer thought it would be a cool storyline, and somehow it made it through George Lucas, though, so whatever the story sets up (sorry, it's been a long time since I read those books and the story is a bit vague) doesn't conflict much with Lucas's plans, or at least didn't at the time.
     
  3. Trell

    Trell Jedi Knight star 6

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    Not Naboo at all. And Naboo isn't in the EU simply because nobody new about it, because it wasn't invented until EI came out.

    And there is absolutally no conflict with the story set up in EI.
     
  4. DaJames

    DaJames Jedi Master star 4

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    Quite often the back cover summaries can be misleading, at best. The answer to your question can be found in the last book of the Black Fleet Crisis trilogy. Trust me, there's no mistakes in the trilogy (except possibly ones about a certain Force philosophy, but there's time for that another day ;) )

    I'm not going to comment on the Bounty Hunter Wars :p I can't trust myself to be fair, impartial or even coherent in my description of it [face_mischief]
     
  5. Leto II

    Leto II Jedi Padawan star 6

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    Basically, to get an idea of the timeframe in which the books were written, Michael P. Kube-McDowell -- quite simply, one of the very finest hard-SF pros working today, BTW, with the chops and the publishing record and the professional awards to prove it -- began writing the novels around early 1995, with Before the Storm hitting bookstore shelves in March 1996.

    Mr. Kube-McDowell was wanting to explore certain areas that had not yet been touched by other writers at that point in time; one of these being Luke and Leia's mother. Of course, George Lucas himself was waist-deep in pre-production on the prequels at that time, and was set to deal with this very issue himself, but graciously allowed him to come up with a story that touched upon the issue, as long as he didn't answer it conclusively.

    Put it another way, pick up The Black Fleet Crisis when you're able; you won't regret it, and you'll get a nice taste of some hard-SF writing in the Star Wars universe that really wasn't seen again until Greg Bear's Rogue Planet.
     
  6. Bib Fortuna Twi'lek

    Bib Fortuna Twi'lek Jedi Youngling star 10

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    Naboo is still around. It is the Emperor's vacation retreat.
     
  7. ForceHeretic

    ForceHeretic Jedi Youngling star 4

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    it doesn't contradict the PT

    You'll have to read it
     
  8. Destined-to-Fall

    Destined-to-Fall Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Great. Thanks so much for your help!
    I'm going to ask another question though... by the sounds of what Leto II said, Rouge Planet is a good SW book (I actully picked that up from the library along with the 'Bounty Hunter Wars' and am due to read it after I am finished the BHW trilogy), but what are others? What are other novels that you would recommend - and ones that not having read to many EU books, I wouldn't be confused with? What is the order you would suggest?

    One last question...The Approaching Storm...has anyone read it? I've heard quite a few people say they didn't like this book and I was wondering why? I've personally read it twice and I really enjoyed it. Though it is not much, I really like the sections where you get to see more of Anakin...the good, the bad...and definatly the unexpected! (refering to when he sings)
    Let me know what you think on that too.

    Chosen to Rise - Destined to Fall
     
  9. Esplin9466

    Esplin9466 Jedi Master star 4

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    There's a handy-dandy novel timeline at the beginning of every New Jedi Order novel which covers most of the EU's major plot points (not all of them, mind you).

    Personally, I would recommend reading them in chronological order (as that's what I would like to have done), but reading them in the order they were published works just as well.

    If I were you I would read all the books on that timeline before venturing off into the other realms of the EU (comics, video games, etc.), though the Dark Empire, Dark Empire II, and Empire's End comic series contain what is probably the biggest plot point not on the NJO timeline.

    And The Black Fleet Crisis Trilogy does not in any way contradict The Phantom Menace. :D
     
  10. Knight1192

    Knight1192 Jedi Knight star 6

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    The problem is that Luke and Leia both knew their mother was already dead. And suddenly we're told that they had no idea if she was dead or not. Leia basically gives up trying to find her do to all the fakes out there while Luke is ready to believe. No, not a chance. McDowell needed a reason to get Luke off on a side adventure and failed to come up with something believable in lieu of what was already known.
     
  11. DaJames

    DaJames Jedi Master star 4

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    I would recommend reading Heir to the Empire (closely followed by Dark Force Rising and The Last Command, the socalled "Thrawn Trilogy") if you haven't already, as you won't have to seen anything besides the movies to get it.

    With the exception of New Jedi Order, most of the novels don't require you to have read the others (though there are references in many of them to other novels, so you could be spoiled accidentally), so i'd recommend just reading all of them in chronological order.

    Even NJO was designed to be read without the others, but there are so many little cameos and off-hand explanations that it's far more enriching if you've read the others first.
     
  12. Errant_Venture

    Errant_Venture Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    From what I hear, Naboo is mentioned in the OT. In ROTJ when Threepio is being a storyteller to the Ewoks, apparently one word he uses is Naboo. Of course that is irrelevent, and I have been to lazy to see if that is true or not.

    The Black Fleet Crisis is in my opinion one of the best SW trilogies to date. I love the political and military scenes, especially A'bhat's first appearance.
     
  13. dp4m

    dp4m Mr. Bandwagon star 10

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    From what I hear, Naboo is mentioned in the OT. In ROTJ when Threepio is being a storyteller to the Ewoks, apparently one word he uses is Naboo. Of course that is irrelevent, and I have been to lazy to see if that is true or not.

    I believe the line is "Naboo? Aku chak chak?"

    Which means (roughly) "Are you sure there is a secret entrance on the far side of the base?"
     
  14. TalonCard

    TalonCard •Author: Slave Pits of Lorrd •TFN EU Staff star 5 VIP

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    >Great. Thanks so much for your help!
    I'm going to ask another question though... by the sounds of what Leto II said, Rouge Planet is a good SW book (I actully picked that up from the library along with the 'Bounty Hunter Wars' and am due to read it after I am finished the BHW trilogy), but what are others? What are other novels that you would recommend - and ones that not having read to many EU books, I wouldn't be confused with? What is the order you would suggest? <

    You can't go wrong with chronological order. It's the most sensible path to start on, IMO. There's a timeline in the front of any NJO book that lists all of the published novels in order that you can follow. Now, what point in the storyline you want to start on is up to you. I wouldn't recommend starting past Timothy Zahn's Thrawn Trilogy, because that book sets up many of the major events in the following novels, and you could get lost without it. Any point before that is fair game. You could start before the prequels, during the prequels, after the prequels, during the OT, any point is good. I'd recommend that you get a hold of the comic series Dark Empire, because it's a major part of the timeline.

    In short, go buy a NJO novel (but don't read it yet!) or print out a chronology off the internet (the book reviews section of TFN has a good one), pick a starting point in the chronology, and go for it! And may the Force be with you! :)

    TC
     
  15. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    >>I'd recommend that you get a hold of the comic series Dark Empire, because it's a major part of the timeline.<<

    Though one should note Dark Empire takes place after the Thrawn Trilogy also.

    I'd recommend :

    -Cloak of Deception & Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter; two great novels set just prior to TPM.
    -The Han Solo Trilogy (Paradise Snare, Hutt Gambit & Rebel Dawn), tells of Han's life prior to ANH.
    -Shadows of the Empire, tells about the events between ESB and ROTJ.
    -The X-Wing Series ([series 1] Rogue Squadron, Wedge's Gamble, The Kyrtos Trap & The Bacta War; [series 2] Wraith Squadron, Iron Fist & Solo Command); set after ROTJ, leading up to The Courtship of Princess Leia & The Thrawn Trilogy.
    -The Thrawn Trilogy (Heir to the Empire, Dark Force Rising & The Last Command), set about 5 years after ROTJ, a very pivital series that was one of the first to be published of the "modern" EU, as such, it's a great starting point also.
     
  16. Leto II

    Leto II Jedi Padawan star 6

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    So basically, yeah, start off with Heir to the Empire, continue with the rest of the "Thrawn trilogy," and move on from there. Can't think of a better starting point than that. :D
     
  17. Excellence

    Excellence Jedi Knight star 7

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    Just imagine . . . a real fleet battle in the NJO the way Michael McDowell does it. And he'll give us the K-wing back!
     
  18. peregrine

    peregrine Jedi Master star 4

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    Tell me about it. I secretly wished Michael McDowell would be chosen to write at least one book in NJO, but alas... He's probably the most underrated EU author.
     
  19. Excellence

    Excellence Jedi Knight star 7

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    McDowell would have done a real naval battle, all right. He knows his technical machinery well. We might've seen Lobot again, too. Sigh . . .
     
  20. Alderaanian_Jedi

    Alderaanian_Jedi Jedi Youngling star 2

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    STAY AWAY FROM THE BLACK FLEET CRISIS BOOKS! As a green EU`er, I started reading Before The Storm by the same reason as you. Luke searching for his mother! And I thought this was this really good tie-in between the OT and the PT. But no. In the last book of the trilogy, Annakah (the woman that claimed she knew all about Luke`s mother) reveals herself as a complete fraud.

    EDIT: And why GL let this through, is beyond me.
     
  21. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    While the Luke-searches-for-his-mother plot of the book was crud, the rest of the series was quite excellent. Just ignore that subplot and don't let the search for Luke's mother be your main reason to read them.

    And the reason Lucas allowed it was BECAUSE it was a wild-goose chase. If Luke had found info out about his real mother, it would have very likely been completely contradicted a couple years after it's release by Episode 1.
     
  22. Excellence

    Excellence Jedi Knight star 7

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    The one spectacular annoyance I had was the Luke section in Shield of Lies: nothing exciting happened. A third of the book was utterly boring and mediocre. A narco-interrogator droid would have been more entertaining.

    I just don't understand why it was allowed to be so unexciting. Otherwise, the rest of Shield of Lies was great, Lando's explorations to Leia's battles, political and naval.
     
  23. snarf5181

    snarf5181 Jedi Youngling star 3

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    I loved the other two plots, though lando's seems to be half and half as far as people liking it, with most people liking the main story. I didnt like the luke parts at all. My question is, did akanah say she didnt know lukes mom at all, or was it left open that padme might have joined the fallanasi to escape the empire and that akanah just didnt know her personally?
     
  24. masterskywalker

    masterskywalker Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    It was a big fat lie to trick Luke, nothing more.
     
  25. Peacekeeper

    Peacekeeper Jedi Youngling star 3

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    ok guys...besides the lie the rest of the book was gd ....
    finally we get to see NR fleet operations & the first large scale fleet engagement in EU...
    'The Black Fleet Crisis' is easily one of the best triologys out there ...
     
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