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Question on TIE Pilots in ANH

Discussion in 'Classic Trilogy' started by Theron, Aug 30, 2007.

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  1. Theron

    Theron Jedi Master star 4

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    Does anyone know the story on these silver markings on the helmet of these TIE Pilots

    This pilot is seen shooting at Luke and destroyed by Wedge.
    http://www.geocities.com/tschambers101@sbcglobal.net/atiepilot.jpg

    One of Darth Vader's Wingmen shoots Wedge causing him to flee
    http://www.geocities.com/tschambers101@sbcglobal.net/atiepilot2.jpg

    Shooting at the Millennium Falcon
    http://www.geocities.com/tschambers101@sbcglobal.net/atipilot3.jpg

    There is another one but didn't take a screenshot of it. But that pilot shot down the maroon helmeted pilot, don't know his name.

     
  2. Darth_Davi

    Darth_Davi Jedi Padawan star 4

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    umm, those are just images of the logo for the Empire.
     
  3. Dark_Jedi_Kenobi

    Dark_Jedi_Kenobi Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    QFT. Those symbols are the logo of the Empire:

     
  4. TwiLekJedi

    TwiLekJedi Pretty Ex-Mod star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I thought he meant the stripes down their nose, which the third one doesn't have and I never noticed before (that's not just lighting, is it?)
     
  5. Darth_Davi

    Darth_Davi Jedi Padawan star 4

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    those are just the lights reflecting off of the glossy black helmet, I think, and not actual stripes.
     
  6. DarthButt

    DarthButt Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    It's also the sybol of the Republic.

    Interesting... those have to be stripes. I never noticed them before. You can really see it in the second picture.. look closely and you can see the stripe is clearly defined even though there is a glare over it.
     
  7. DarthBoba

    DarthBoba Manager Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    This is the Republic crest:


    [image=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/Galactic_Republic.svg/150px-Galactic_Republic.svg.png]


    ...And this the Imperial Crest:


    [image=http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/thumb/7/7b/Implogo.png/250px-Implogo.png]


    Eight spokes for the corpulent Republic, six for the villainous Empire. Please try not to make this sort of common error in the future. :p
     
  8. TwiLekJedi

    TwiLekJedi Pretty Ex-Mod star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Butt, I hope that was just a slight miscommunication and you did know the difference between the Imperial and the Republic Seal. Otherwise...
     
  9. Blackout

    Blackout Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Oh yeah.

    [image=http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/8247/imparmgx5.jpg]

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  10. Dark_Jedi_Kenobi

    Dark_Jedi_Kenobi Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I think it is, since this is the helmet of a tie pilot:

    [image=http://web.ukonline.co.uk/bingo275/DP_CA_Tie_helmet.jpg]

     
  11. Arawn_Fenn

    Arawn_Fenn Chosen One star 7

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    Notably, Anakin's fighter already has the Imperial symbol at the beginning of ROTS.
    You'd think the Jedi would have caught that....

    KIDDING!
     
  12. DarthButt

    DarthButt Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Ummm... I have no excuse. I just assumed they were the same without comparing them. That's what I get for assuming. [face_plain]
     
  13. HanSolo29

    HanSolo29 RPF/SWC/Fan Art Manager & Bill Pullman Connoisseur star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    The silver stripes you see on the TIE helmet are known as "Widow's Tears." They are supposed to be reserved for the most feared pilots. If you want the behind the scenes explanation, they were painted on during production to help the camera pick up the black helmet against the dark background. If you take notice in other shots, you can also see hints of silver paint on the tubes on the sides, the frown, grill, cheeks and the mohawk, which served the same purpose.
     
  14. Theron

    Theron Jedi Master star 4

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    yeah that's what I wanted to know. Thanks HanSolo29. For the third picture it was the silver on the top of his head the mohawk area.
     
  15. Dark Lady Mara

    Dark Lady Mara Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    So they were all star pilots at Yavin and all rookies at the other battles? I want to say that explains why the Empire lost. :p
     
  16. timmoishere

    timmoishere Force Ghost star 6

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    All the good pilots died at Yavin, duh. :p
     
  17. TwiLekJedi

    TwiLekJedi Pretty Ex-Mod star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    awesome! we finally know what's going on :p

    see, I knew nobody would ask about the seals.
    And DLM says we lock intelligent threads [face_not_talking]


    but did those Widow's Tears ever get an in-universe explanation, or is Theron the first person on the planet to notice them since the props department and camera/lighting crew? :p

    Also, I'm totally gonna look for them on costumes on the next con
     
  18. DarthBoba

    DarthBoba Manager Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Just PM me or one of the other nerds around these parts before you do that. We're here to help. :)
     
  19. HanSolo29

    HanSolo29 RPF/SWC/Fan Art Manager & Bill Pullman Connoisseur star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    The only in-universe answer I know of was the little blurb about "the most feared pilots" I mentioned above. I have no clue where that originated, though. The other info I got from the 501st and other related sites while putting my TIE Pilot uniform together. There are quite a few pilots in the Legion sporting the Widows Tears, so you should have no problem spotting them at the next con. ;)
     
  20. DarthButt

    DarthButt Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    No this is totally my fault for not being nerdy enough! :p
     
  21. DarthBoba

    DarthBoba Manager Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    lol

    Just remember: 8 spokes for greedy and ineffective, six for ruthless and evil. :p
     
  22. RamRed

    RamRed Jedi Master star 4

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    If most of the pilots who initially took part in the Battle of Yavin were killed, why didn't the Rebel Alliance send in more pilots? There seemed to be a good number of them at the medal ceremony in ANH's last scene.
     
  23. DarthBoba

    DarthBoba Manager Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Not enough ships is my guess. :p
     
  24. GrandWarlord

    GrandWarlord Jedi Youngling star 2

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    I think that is actually pretty cool, never heard about that :cool:
     
  25. Dark Lady Mara

    Dark Lady Mara Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I was waiting for it to get locked as soon as someone said it was the Imperial insignia. :p

    Remember, the Imperial seal is different from the Republic seal because it looks like a gear to represent industry and all the happy workers the Empire has exiled to Siberiooine. [face_peace]
     
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