Qui-Gon Jinn's death

Does anyone else think that Qui gon should have stayed alive. He could have kicked that siths ass if he wanted to.

 

Oh, no, I think he wanted to. I just think he didn't.

There are alot of "what ifs" in the course of the prequel trilogy. What if Qui Gon had survived? Since his death played as a catalyst to the Council re-thinking and then accepting Anakin into the academy, would Anakin then never have become a Jedi? Would Qui Gon have left the Order to train Anakin, thus pulling him out of the sphere of Palpatine's influence? Would Shmi have remained a slave, separated from Anakin? Would Anakin still have turned to the dark side? Would he have been worse off?

Ultimately, it's a bit pointless to think about, and logic just chases itself about in circles. Anakin Skywalker is the Chosen One, no matter what, and his destiny ultimately would have met the same end in balancing the Force. He just might have taken a different path.

 

It was his part in the saga, he had to die and make way for Obi-Wan to take a more commanding role. He played his part in the saga and while being a great character, he had to pass.

-Seldon

 

I definitely agree; in order for the OT to make complete sense, Qui-Gon Jinn had to die in TPM. Afterall, according to the OT, it was Obi-Wan who trained Anakin, not Qui-Gonn.

I would have to say though, it would be interesting to see how things would have turned out IF he survived the duel w/Darth Maul.

 

If he had survived, I believe he would have gotten to train Anakin(because I think the Council finally agreed because of what the boy had achieved in the battle) and that he would have made sure Shmi was safe(but out of reach for Anakin, which is important for his Jedi training).
It's difficult to say, though, if Anakin would've had the same kind of relationship with Qui-Gon as with Obi-Wan.
One possibility is that Anakin would compare himself with Obi-Wan all the time, because Obi used to be Qui-Gon's apprentice. He would try to be better than Obi-Wan, because as we know, Anakin is very keen on being the best at what he does. This would then result in tension between Anakin and Qui-Gon, because Qui would tell him not to compare himself to others and Anakin would get frustrated by that. As with Obi-Wan, he would feel that Qui-Gon is holding him back.

Maybe Obi-Wan wouldn't have been conferred the title of Jedi Knight if Qui-Gon hadn't died, though. I'm sure the Council did that because Obi-Wan managed to kill Maul without giving in to anger, even though Maul had killed Qui-Gon.
However, it's probable that Obi-Wan would've been tested and once he was a Jedi Knight, Qui-Gon would've been allowed to train Anakin.



Star Wars is six, two and one
/LM

 

I think this issue is the biggest "what if" of the entire Saga. If Qui-Gon had lived, would Anakin have turned? I tend to think he would not.

But alas, of all sad words of tongue or pen, the saddest are these: It might have been.

 

I was thrilled to see him die. He didn't belong in the film because Obi-Wan could have handled everything himself. I like GL's original storyline that did not have Qui Gon in it.

 

Jesus, you're still around?

Qui-Gon's importance is highly underestimated.

Strilo edit: OK first, off using Jesus as an expletive like that is not allowed. Second, comments like "you're still around" are rude and unnecessary.

 

I believe Anakin would not have been as angry if Qui-Gon had became his Master. Qui-Gon would have brought peace to Anakin, and Anakin could have used him as a spiritual figure. Obi-Wan just wasn't the type of master Anakin needed, and thus Anakin gave into his anger.

 

Jesus, you're still around?

First of all, it's TrueJedi, not Jesus.

Second, I was here before you and I'll be here after you're gone.

Qui Gon was an afterthought for Lucas and should never have been in the films.

 

How so? Obi Wan is 20 something all those years back in PT. If it had been as I had imagined, where there was no organized system of Jedi, than, yeah, Obi Wan just taking Anakin under his wing wouldn't be a problem. But in the rigidly structured world of the Jedi Council that Lucas created, anyone would be really hard pressed to believe someone that young would be allowed to train another that powerful when there was a whole Council of Masters to do it. Even Obi Wan admits he wasn't ready to train Anakin. Thus Lucas needs something to instigate a series of events that would lead to Obi Wan eventually become Anakin's Padawan.

And that person is Qui Gon Jinn.

 

I was also thrilled to see him die, but because it was a nice parallell to Obi-Wan dying in ANH.
The cool thing about these things is that in TPM, things seem to happen to the characters when they're not prepared for it, while in ANH, the characters are very deliberate. They know exactly what is going on.
This goes hand in hand with the fact that as a viewer watching the saga chronologically, you don't know what you're getting yourself into while watching TPM, but once you get to ANH, you have a clear picture of what's going on in the story.



Personality is the key to art
/LM

 

Qui Gon was an afterthought for Lucas and should never have been in the films.

So you think Qui-Gon serves no importance in the movies??? We shall see...oh yes...We shall see..

 

Do you think that if Obi wan had found Anakin he would have turned out different or was he going to end out like that no matter what.I still love the character Qui gon and im really glad that he was in the movies.

 

Given the personality Obi Wan has in the movies, I think had he found Anakin, he would never have brought him before the Council or even attempted to free him. This isn't to say I think Obi Wan is a harsh person. Just that I think he sensed danger in Anakin.

 

Yeah, that's right Truejedi... *doesn't say anything*

Yes Qui-Gon is an afterthought, and originally Darth Vader was a non-Force sensitive general of stormtroopers. I guess Lucas should never change his characters.

 

*Yes Qui-Gon is an afterthought...*

IMO Qui-Gon was very deliberate. GL had said that certain things in the prequels would be mirrored from the OT. QG is analogous to General Kenobi.

 

Han Solo used to be a green-gilled alien. Thank goodness that changed, eh?

I know alot of people compare Qui Gon's sacrifice to Obi Wan's in ANH, but, IMO, it always reminded me more of Vader's death. A father dying to protect a son and all that.

 

You could say that about Ben's death too.



Personality is the key to art
/LM

 

It's the master dying and leaving things to be resolved by the Apprentice. It is an element of old myths and legends as well as something used by many a filmmaker. Kurosawa for example.

 

Ya and he did have a cool death. I mean cause not many jedi get to be killed by the sith.

 

Qui-Gon Jinn is a great addition to the SW characters and the Jedi.

Strilo edit: Let's avoid ROTS discussion in here...

 

As a non-spoilers board member I can see the difference between a spoiler and something that isn't, like the rumor that was posted on the main page not too long ago WITHOUT ANY SORT OF SPOILER WARNINGS.

 

This is the TPM forum. Your comment did not relate to TPM in the least. I did not say what you posted was a spoiler, I asked to refrain from discussing ROTS in here.

 

i didnt see any spoilers,/shrug.anyway,whoever here is hating on Qui-gon should be slapped.Qui-gon was a wayyy better and more devolped character than the awfully played Obi-wan in TPM AND AOTC.In TPM Obi-wan is a snobby,yoda's pet,and Ewan Mcgreggor played him terribly IMO.thank god for Qui-gon and Liam Nessan in TPM,he MADE the movie.