Rate a SW character (AD&D alignment system)

OK, folks, let's play a game. Some of you undoubtedly know, or even play, Advanced Dungeons and Dragons. Now let's take the alignment system and try to apply it on your favourite SW character.

Here's an example of how it would look like:

Luke Skywalker: lawful good
Leia Organa Solo: lawful good
Han Solo: chaotic good
Wedge Antilles: neutral good
Emperor Palpatine: lawful evil
Darth Vader: lawful evil
Jabba the Hutt: chaotic evil
Boba Fett: neutral evil (possibly true neutral)
Borsk Fey'lya: lawful neutral
Mara Jade: true neutral (possibly neutral good - after TTT)
Grand Admiral Thrawn: lawful neutral (possibly lawful evil)
Captain Pellaeon: lawful neutral (most Imperial officers from the Old Republic military will be lawful neutrals)

Feel free to add more and comment. The discussion's open

 

You can make the case that Thrawn and Pelleaon are Lawful good, for they are fighting for what they interprate as 'Good'. The Empire, while corrupt, brought order to some parts of the galaxy and they are dedicated to preserving that balance. Thus, they're good in that respect, where as Han, Luke and everyone else in the galaxy are Evil, trying to upset that balance. It's a matter of perspective I guess.

 

For anyone curious, the descriptions of the alignments are as follows (from the SRD):

ALIGNMENT
A creature?s general moral and personal attitudes are represented by its alignment: lawful good, neutral good, chaotic good, lawful neutral, neutral, chaotic neutral, lawful evil, neutral evil, or chaotic evil.
Alignment is a tool for developing your character?s identity. It is not a straitjacket for restricting your character. Each alignment represents a broad range of personality types or personal philosophies, so two characters of the same alignment can still be quite different from each other. In addition, few people are completely consistent.

GOOD VS. EVIL
Good characters and creatures protect innocent life. Evil characters and creatures debase or destroy innocent life, whether for fun or profit.
?Good? implies altruism, respect for life, and a concern for the dignity of sentient beings. Good characters make personal sacrifices to help others.
?Evil? implies hurting, oppressing, and killing others. Some evil creatures simply have no compassion for others and kill without qualms if doing so is convenient. Others actively pursue evil, killing for sport or out of duty to some evil deity or master.
People who are neutral with respect to good and evil have compunctions against killing the innocent but lack the commitment to make sacrifices to protect or help others. Neutral people are committed to others by personal relationships.
Being good or evil can be a conscious choice. For most people, though, being good or evil is an attitude that one recognizes but does not choose. Being neutral on the good?evil axis usually represents a lack of commitment one way or the other, but for some it represents a positive commitment to a balanced view. While acknowledging that good and evil are objective states, not just opinions, these folk maintain that a balance between the two is the proper place for people, or at least for them.
Animals and other creatures incapable of moral action are neutral rather than good or evil. Even deadly vipers and tigers that eat people are neutral because they lack the capacity for morally right or wrong behavior.

LAW VS. CHAOS
Lawful characters tell the truth, keep their word, respect authority, honor tradition, and judge those who fall short of their duties.
Chaotic characters follow their consciences, resent being told what to do, favor new ideas over tradition, and do what they promise if they feel like it.
?Law? implies honor, trustworthiness, obedience to authority, and reliability. On the downside, lawfulness can include close-mindedness, reactionary adherence to tradition, judgmentalness, and a lack of adaptability. Those who consciously promote lawfulness say that only lawful behavior creates a society in which people can depend on each other and make the right decisions in full confidence that others will act as they should.
?Chaos? implies freedom, adaptability, and flexibility. On the downside, chaos can include recklessness, resentment toward legitimate authority, arbitrary actions, and irresponsibility. Those who promote chaotic behavior say that only unfettered personal freedom allows people to express themselves fully and lets society benefit from the potential that its individuals have within them.
Someone who is neutral with respect to law and chaos has a normal respect for authority and feels neither a compulsion to obey nor a compulsion to rebel. She is honest but can be tempted into lying or deceiving others.
Devotion to law or chaos may be a conscious choice, but more often it is a personality trait that is recognized rather than being chosen. Neutrality on the lawful?chaotic axis is usually simply a middle state, a state of not feeling compelled toward one side or the other. Some few such neutrals, however, espouse neutrality as superior to law or chaos, regarding each as an extreme with its own blind spots and drawbacks.
Animals and other creatures incapable of moral action are neutral. Dogs may be obedient and cats free-spirited, but they do not

 

I make an argument that Palpatine is neutral evil and possibly even Chaotic evil at the end of his career.
The man engaged in many acts that weren't premeditated and quite a few that were spur of the momment evil.

Also remember Thrawn was a villain throughout the Thrawn Trilogy who murdered a bunch of Jedi masters, a species, and who knows how much else.

I don't allow characters who kidnap pregnant women to present to psychotically evil Jedi Masters or who enslave species (no matter WHAT their reason) to not be evil.

Totally Lawful Evil.

Pellaeon was also party to Daala's massacres, so Lawful evil for him until he's switched slowly to lawful Neutral

(he's still a tyrant even if he's reformed the Empire)

 

Pellaeon's not a tyrant, he's a benevolent despot.

Emperor Palpatine: Neutral Evil
Luke Skywalker: Lawful Good
Han Solo: Chaotic Neutral in HSA, Chaotic Good after RotJ
Princess Leia: Neutral Good
Grand Admiral Thrawn: Lawful Evil
Supreme Commander Pellaeon: True Neutral
Anakin Skywalker: Chaotic Good
Jacen Solo: Neutral Good / Lawful Good
Jaina Solo: Chaotic Good
Anakin Solo: Chaotic Good
Queen Amidala: Lawful Good / Neutral Good
Mara Jade: Chaotic Neutral
Mara Jade Skywalker: Chaotic Good
Bastila: Lawful Good to Neutral Evil to Lawful God (or back to Neutral Evil)
Revan: Depends on the player.
Wedge Antilles: Neutral Good
Baron Fel: Lawful Neutral
Corran Horn: Neutral Good
Obi-Wan Kenobi: Lawful Good (PT) to Neutral Good (OT)
Yoda: Neutral Good
Admiral Kre'fey: Chaotic Good (DT) to Neutral Good (later in the series) to Lawful Neutral (DW)
Jolee Bindo: Neutral Good
HK-47: Chaotic Evil
Carth Onasi: Lawful Good
Boba Fett: True Neutral or Neutral Good
Calo Nord: Neutral Evil
Kinman Doriana: Neutral Evil
Lando Calrissian: True Neutral to Neutral Good
Dash Rendar: Chaotic Neutral to Chaotic Good
Xizor: Neutral Evil
Moff Disra: Lawful Evil
Vergere: Chaotic Neutral

 

Emperor Palpatine: Neutral Evil ? I'd say chaotic evil, or borderline lawful evil.

I guess that Thrawn would be either Lawful Neutral or Lawful Evil.

 

Umm, if you read the profiles above, while the Emperor is sane (pre-DE) then he's Neutral Evil; after that he's chaotic.

 

There is no Dark Side and there is no Neutral Evil with Lawful tendencies.

 

Pellaeon or Thrawn couldn't possibly be Lawful Good because they aren't crusading zealots (not in the traditional sense, anyways)

I'm not really sure what happened in the OFP, with the info from SQ.

 

Wedge Antilles: would be more Lawful then neutral because he is in the mil, which and he follows orders.

Jar Jar Binks: Lawful Stupid??

 

Jar Jar Binks: Lawful Stupid?? - LOL

I'd see both Boba and Jango Fett either as neutral or chaotic neutral. Both were out for themselves and the money, but they had their own code of honor. They did acts others might see as evil (killing people for money) but I don't see them as evil personalities.

 

I see the discussion is alive and well Special thanks to Raven for comprehensive overview of Alignment system

Now for some more characters, from JAT this time:

Kyp Durron: Chaotic Good/Chaotic Evil after falling to the Dark Side (Kyp is so wildly chaotic that he's almost off the scale )
Admiral Daala: Lawful Evil
Exar Kun: Lawful Evil (possibly Neutral Evil)
Qwi Xux: Chaotic Good/Chaotic Neutral
Moruth Doole: Chaotic Evil

Have I forgotten anybody? Oh yes, Tol Sivron... Not sure where to place him, though.

 

Emperor Palpatine- neutral Evil(OT)/Chaotic Evil (DE)
Luke,Leia,Mon Mothma,Yoda,- Lawfull good
Han,Dash Rendar,Lando,Anakin Solo,Talon Karrde,Jaina Solo- Chaotic good/neutral
Jacen Solo, Kyp Durron,Wedge-neutral good
Mara Jade- Neutral Evil/Chaotic good
DP4M,Genghis12,Wild Karrde- Chaotic Evil

 

Waaaaaay back when ROJ was still in theaters, I remember having a conversation about this topic with my brother, where we came to the conclusion that lightsaber color was based on alignment. Evidence:

Blue = Lawful Good (Obi-Wan Kenobi, Luke in ANH)
Red = Lawful Evil (Vader)
Green = Chaotic Good (Luke in ROJ, where he's a little more of a rule-breaker)

With this in mind, I thought it was kind of cool that Qui-Gon Jinn in TPM carried a green saber.

(God only knows where Mace Windu would fit into this.)

Dan

 

(God only knows where Mace Windu would fit into this.)

Blue + Red == Purple.

Hence, Lawful Neutral.

And I wholly agree with whomever put Vergere as Chaotic Neutral.

 

Online Alignment Test

This isn't completely applicable, but I like it.

Oh, by the way, I personally am apparently lawful neutral.

 

Heh, depending on a answer or two that I wasn't real sure about Im either Neutral Good or Neutral.

 

I'm pretty sure the decent Imperial officers in general would definetly be Lawful Neutral, especially the Remnant ones.

What about the EotH personnel?

 

Most Empire of the Hand personnel would be probably Lawful Neutral too (as are most Imperial officers in general), though there may be a slightly bigger ratio of Lawful Good than in the core Empire (where Lawful Evil, like Tarkin, would predominate in the leading positions).

 

I tried that test, came out as Neutral. Some of the questions were kinda off-the-wall though.

 

I tried the test, and I came up as... Lawful Good! [face_shocked] The outrage! A lawful good Imperial! Can you imagine it?! Looks like that I really have to redefine my priorities

 

Based on your answers to the quiz, your character?s most likely alignment is Neutral Good.

Neutral Good

A neutral good character does the best that a good person can do. He is devoted to helping others. He works with kings and magistrates but does not feel beholden to them. The common phrase for neutral good is "true good." Neutral good is the best alignment you can be because it means doing what is good without bias toward or against order.

 

Reading Raven's post is the reason why I don't do D & D. Way too much stuff to remember. Besides the first and only time I did roleplaying, my character got pregnant.

 

Well, here are some comments to previous posts:

As could be expected, the greatest debate was fought over whether Thrawn is Lawful Neutral or Lawful Evil. This can't be decided on 100% because in no book can we see into his head to judge whether he has moral qualms about killing people or not. It's true that his characterization in TTT would make him seem Lawful Evil, but even then he looks like an archetypical soldier who lives and gives his life to serve the order (which is more like Lawful Neutral). Thrawn's case may be ambiguous on the Good/Evil scale, but he's undoubtedly Lawful.

I have some problems with Mara Jade being described as Chaotic (regardless whether Evil, Neutral or Good). Mara's actions and stances would fit more a Neutral character. She's no rebel that Chaotics usually are. Therefore, Mara as the Emperor's Hand would perhaps be Neutral Evil, Mara as Talon Karrde's Lieutenant is True Neutral, and Mara as Luke's wife is Neutral Good.

Likewise, I don't view Jaina Solo and Anakin Solo as Chaotic Good - I believe that Neutral Good would fit their personalities better.

There can be no doubt that Kyp Durron is Chaotic Good. His crusade in JAT and his defying Skywalker during the Vong invasion are definitely Chaotic traits (compare this with Mara Jade).

 

As could be expected, the greatest debate was fought over whether Thrawn is Lawful Neutral or Lawful Evil. This can't be decided on 100% because in no book can we see into his head to judge whether he has moral qualms about killing people or not. It's true that his characterization in TTT would make him seem Lawful Evil, but even then he looks like an archetypical soldier who lives and gives his life to serve the order (which is more like Lawful Neutral). Thrawn's case may be ambiguous on the Good/Evil scale, but he's undoubtedly Lawful.

Uh, hello?

Shooting a subordinate for failure?
Agreeing to kidnap two children for an insane Jedi Master?

Yeah, he's Neutral...