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  1. VadersVacuumSeal

    VadersVacuumSeal Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Where were the shoulder-fired rockets and mobile missle vehicles?

    Big guns have no impact on AT-AT walkers.
    Mid-range lasers were probably great against storm troopers. Although we saw no snow troopers on the battlefield, I am more then willing to conceide that they were indeed deployed.

    Why not deploy missle launchers against AT-AT walkers? Aim for joints in the legs. May take half a dozen missles for one leg, but any given walker would go down.

     
  2. Darth_Falcon

    Darth_Falcon Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Why not just lunch the whole X-Wing squadron against them?

    Simple answer: The Rebellion didn't have those kind of resources.

    Also, the Rebels tactics were to delay Imperial forces long enough to evacuate, not win the battle. It would be sensless for them to waste what little they had once their location had be found. A location they couldn't indefinitely hold out against the might of the Empire.
     
  3. VadersVacuumSeal

    VadersVacuumSeal Jedi Youngling star 3

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    apples and orange.
    fighters were for escort.

    shoulder fire missles would be excellent against tanks, etc.
     
  4. UCLAJediMaster

    UCLAJediMaster Jedi Master star 4

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    my guess is that because lucas was putting his own money up for the movie they were sort of limited in the pyrotechnics department...

    only necessary explosions made it.
     
  5. Darth_Falcon

    Darth_Falcon Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    A Death Star would have been great too. Just park it outside Hoth, wait for all the Imperials to land then "fire". A whole Imperial Ground Unit gone. Problem is the Rebels don't have a DS and they don't have shoulder fired rockets. Not enough to make a difference or waste in a battle that ultimately is just a retreating manoeuvre.
     
  6. VadersVacuumSeal

    VadersVacuumSeal Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Would have helped.
    No walkers, shield grid stays up.

    "sir, we just lossed general veers and all of his walker battalion. send reinforcments."

     
  7. UCLAJediMaster

    UCLAJediMaster Jedi Master star 4

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    vader's vacuum seal:

    what does your sig mean?



     
  8. VadersVacuumSeal

    VadersVacuumSeal Jedi Youngling star 3

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    hmm?

    Well, the first part of the sig is from The Phantom Menace.

    The later is sugesting that Darth Maul should be given command of the Executor star destroyer.
     
  9. Darth_Falcon

    Darth_Falcon Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I'm not saying they wouldn't have helped, i'm just pointing out they obviously didn't have them and that it would be wasteful if they did exist.

    You may as well ask where were the Ewoks with lightsabers. Would have quickend the battle that's for sure. ;)
     
  10. UCLAJediMaster

    UCLAJediMaster Jedi Master star 4

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    ahh for some reason i thought they went together.

    like the second line comes after the line from TPM.


    also the executor blows up...
     
  11. VadersVacuumSeal

    VadersVacuumSeal Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Yes, it is common knowledge the fate of the Executor.
     
  12. UCLAJediMaster

    UCLAJediMaster Jedi Master star 4

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    so you basically hoping for maul to time travel? or for the ship to time travel?


     
  13. VadersVacuumSeal

    VadersVacuumSeal Jedi Youngling star 3

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    it's called fantasy.

    stop being a putz.
     
  14. DS615

    DS615 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Big guns have no impact on AT-AT walkers.

    Incorrect. The one AT-AT has it's knee joint fused by one of the artillery cannons.

    And if the "armor is too strong for blasters", even from a full sized combat vehicle, then what makes you think a shoulder weapon is going to work?

    Otherwise, I would agree that they simply didn't have them. This is the rebellion, a group of freedom fighter/terrorists, they aren't a proper millitary. They make due with what they can get their hands on.

     
  15. VadersVacuumSeal

    VadersVacuumSeal Jedi Youngling star 3

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    if they're so weak, why send 5 at-at walkers?
     
  16. VadersVacuumSeal

    VadersVacuumSeal Jedi Youngling star 3

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    I'll reiterate - big guns have no effect whatsoever on At At walkers.
    They just kept on coming.
     
  17. DS615

    DS615 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I'll reiterate

    Reiterate until the end of time if you want to.

    Allow me to flat out say it again: The Ion cannon fused the walkers knee joint. That's an effect. Period.

    Why send five walkers? Because the rebels "are so weak" and Veers didn't want to waste anyone elses time.
    Veers deployed Five walkers. Five, out of the 150+ AT-AT's that were availible to him.
    That shows what he thought about the little rebel soldiers.


     
  18. VadersVacuumSeal

    VadersVacuumSeal Jedi Youngling star 3

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    No ion canons were used to harm AT-AT walkers in the making of this movie.
     
  19. Jawas_Poodoo

    Jawas_Poodoo Jedi Youngling star 2

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    i always wondered why the star destroyers in orbit of hoth didn't deploy TIE fighters? certainly they had enough to spare. although echo base's shields could withstand any orbital bombardment, scrambling TIE's could pick off rebel ground troops or engage snow speeder.

    is this because TIEs lose a great deal of manueverability when not in a vacuum or would the intense cold of hoth freeze their engines?
     
  20. VadersVacuumSeal

    VadersVacuumSeal Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Fighters were deployed. However, the shield grid prot
    ected the Rebel base from intersteller bombardmant. General Veers stated so.

    Poor Gen. Veers...not having any fun.

    Besides that, I doubt TIE fighters would perform well in a planetary settings.
     
  21. Errant_Venture

    Errant_Venture Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Tie fighters would get destroyed in Hoth's atmospheric conditions. They arn't exactly an atmospheric fighter and a strong wind gust could rip one of the solar panels off and then the entire fighter crashes.

    And I agree with Falcon, why deploy units (if you have them) to a fight that you can't win? Thats impossible to win. They were already hurting from having to evac and leaving so much stuff behind, they couldn't afford to lose even more valuable military equipment just to destroy an AT-AT walker that can easily be replaced.

    And enough talking about someone's signature!
     
  22. jangoisadrunk

    jangoisadrunk Jedi Padawan star 4

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    The AT-ATs were necessary to cross the sheild's energy plane. They were the only weapons the Empire had that could withstand the heat, and moved slow enough to break the surface tension without taking damage. Unprotected snowtroppers would have been incinerated, and for Tie fighters it would have been like flying into the ocean at 1000 miles an hour. Remember, the rebels had to open the sheild so the transports could fly out.

    As far as the resources of the rebel infantry goes, they had almost nothing. I assert (and could be very wrong) that they FOUND the ion cannon and shield generator on Hoth.
     
  23. UCLAJediMaster

    UCLAJediMaster Jedi Master star 4

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    i'd agree with that...

    like they send out scouts all over to remote places...

    one of the scouts finds an old smuggler/pirate base that has a salvagable shield generator and ion cannon. they send an advance team to prepare the base...

    then when the empire gets hot on their tail they flee to hoth.

    sounds reasonable.
     
  24. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Either:

    A) The Rebels didn't yet have such defenses in place (the base had only just become operational and had already lost a major supply convoy at Derra IV).

    B) The Empire, by that point in time, had developed counetrmeasures that reduced or eliminated missles as being effective.
     
  25. VadersVacuumSeal

    VadersVacuumSeal Jedi Youngling star 3

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    C) The ion canon was already occupied defending lanes of escape for transports leaving the planet. It is impractical to recalibrate this weapon to attack walkers where large blaster towers and to a lesser extent, infantry, were inplace to defend the hangar from which transports were leaving.
     
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