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Revan, the Ancient Sith Empire, and the Mandalorians. (KOTOR 2 spoilers)

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Sinrebirth , Feb 19, 2005.

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  1. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    At the end of KOTOR 2 it is revealed that the Ancient Sith, as in those defeated a thousand years before KOTOR in the Great Hyperspace War, have actually just retreated into the Unknown Regions.

    The Sith were behind the Mandalorian Wars, and Revan found out, using the Republic and Sith powers to defeat the Mandalorians and prepare for the Sith, taking over the Republic.

    Malak messes this up and just causes destruction, much like Palpatine and the Empire after Thrawn's demise.

    He's doing a Thrawn, so to speak. But is such mass murdering and warfare in the name of the greater good justified?

    I think that it is. The destruction that Revan and Thrawn caused was minimal, or aiming to be, and the threats they faced were much greater and dangerous.

    (waits for Lightsnake)
     
  2. Lightsnake

    Lightsnake Jedi Youngling star 3

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    It's not even confirmed the True Sith are a 'threat' of such magnitude. Nor is murdering for the greater good a good plan when there are other options Revan had availible to him. Can you even prove to me it's the Sith species' empire which is supposed to be EXTINCT?
     
  3. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    I can easily say - "CAN YOU PROVE ITS NOT?"
     
  4. Lightsnake

    Lightsnake Jedi Youngling star 3

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    I cannot, but the burden of proof is on you as you claim it is.
     
  5. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Well, all i have on my side is the word of a Sith Lord that those Sith are the True Sith, religious wise.

    As in the inheritors, i guess.

    Now i'm quoting Darth Traya *shakes head*
     
  6. Lightsnake

    Lightsnake Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Right, not denying THAT...but can we determine the validity of a threat?
     
  7. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Well, its an Empire that once once a part of the Ancient Sith Empire, found 21000 yeras b4 KOTOR. If its had all that time to sit there and prepare, or only the thousand since Sadows fall, then its gonna be a big threat.

    Like the Killiks being hidden for god knows how many years. They've had all that time to prepare...
     
  8. Lightsnake

    Lightsnake Jedi Youngling star 3

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    And plenty time to get their rear ends whooped in the LAST war where they lost...their entire military force
     
  9. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    In a thousand years they should rebuild themselves, one thinks. Considering it took just 20 years to turn the Empire into an invincible war machine.
     
  10. Lightsnake

    Lightsnake Jedi Youngling star 3

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    But everything was already set and ready...we're talking being wiped out to nearly the last warrior
     
  11. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Well then, the Sith followers then, have had a thousand years.
     
  12. Paladin307

    Paladin307 Jedi Master star 2

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    What the hell...Why can't bad guys just be bad guys?

    He fell to the Dark Side, whatever his motivations he was/became evil. Wow! He didn't destroy Republic infrastructure!!! What about all the people he killed? Who the hell gives a damn about infrastructure?

    As far as the True Sith are concerned, they cannot be too great if they had to convince the Mandalorians to soften up the Republic first and now they have people like Revan and the Exile coming after them. If I were them, I would run away to another corner of the universe and hide for another million years.
     
  13. burrie

    burrie Jedi Padawan star 4

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    My opinion on this particular matter is: although I very much enjoy the idea that Darth Revan was defeating things systematically to prepare for an attack from the True Sith Empire, that still does not make him, in any way, a good guy, nor does it wash away the crimes that he commited.

    Way I see it, he was preparing the Galaxy for the 'True Sith Empire' invasion, aye... but in the end, it would've been his galaxy that he would be defending against the threat, and after it would've been dealt with, the galaxy would be completely his. Most likely, he would've ruled the galaxy with an iron fist afterwards.

    I don't think he had the best interest of the galaxy in mind when he conquered world after world. Only his own interest.

    He IS/WAS a Sith Lord, after all.
     
  14. Paladin307

    Paladin307 Jedi Master star 2

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    That is the best way, I have to say, of putting it. It was just the case of one Sith Lord trying to hold on to his domain against something else.
     
  15. kopolee11

    kopolee11 Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I'm getting sick and tired of these villains who are not really villains. I can stand Revan for he/she was originally a Jedi with good intentions. However, Thrawn who I always thought was a cold bloodied killer being good, I still can?t stand. I mean what is next Palpatine saw a vision of the Vong coming to the galaxy and wanted to prepare the galaxy for it. Oh wait a minute I might be onto something...[face_thinking]

    As for what were Revan?s motivations were, I personally think that Revan might've believed that he/she was doing good and did not fall to the dark side, but that does not mean he/she didn't.


     
  16. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Same with Ulic and Kyp I guess. And Palpatine has his fingers in too many pies as it is....

    But Thrawn and Revan were aiming to do good...in the world viewpoint, i guess. Of course there are selfish roots to it all, they're only mortal.
     
  17. Fingolfin_Noldor

    Fingolfin_Noldor Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I always wondered where the Sith went to after the death of Naga Sadow. THere had to be a few Sith Lords in hiding among the Sith itself. It's probably not a surprise many fled to the Unknown Regions. Besides, Ludo Kresh had supporters who could have survived the carnage.
     
  18. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    I thought it was clear the Jedi hunted down and killed every last one of them while Teta and the Republic butchered the race
     
  19. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Which means they missed some, like Palpatine and Nihilus...
     
  20. Fingolfin_Noldor

    Fingolfin_Noldor Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Nope. The comic did not describe what happened to the Sith empire. It was pretty large, and I doubt Teta could have conquered all of them in any case in a few days.

    Also, those planets probably had defences of their own.
     
  21. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    Tales of the Jedi said it wasn't conquest, it was genocide. I imagine the Sith had something to do with their fall as well...probably sucked up all the lifeforce on their homeworld.

    And they didn't miss any Sith.

    The Sith were Extinct.

    Only the Massaii remained and as GHOSTS.

    Naga Sadow was the last Sith and he was killed by Freedon nadd.

    The majority of Sith (as magicians) were killed by Naga Sadow's assassins anyway.
     
  22. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Shrugs. And the Jedi and Sith have been destroyed how many times? And the Mandalorians? Something always slips through the net.

    Even when the Galactic Civil War ended, rouge Imps carried on the war. Shrugs.
     
  23. CeiranHarmony

    CeiranHarmony Force Ghost star 5

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    as interesting the discussion is... why have 20 threads about the same topic? why have 20 discussions when they already were fought months ago... and why.. have I to activate topic notification on every one of them. Damn...

    dear mods... try to channel the topics into several frew ones please. because I´d like to keep track of them and it gets too confusing if every fan creates his own thread. (I am guilty of doing so myself several times, *shiver* but I learned from it. And most of the time it was me who got rerouted into another thread!)
     
  24. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Its cos the UK only got KOTOR2 a week ago...

    Sorry bout creating a new thread. I was trying to draw Lightsnake away from another thread.
     
  25. Lightsnake

    Lightsnake Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Dude, the Sith were massacred to a ONE...it's a RACE, not a military faction
     
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