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Revealed! The meaning of NJO, literally. (DW references)

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Jedi Ben, Mar 22, 2002.

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  1. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 10

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    So it is going to happen: The fusing of SW.

    DW has had its summary released, among the info is the news that Jacen has had tuition or aid from Vergere.

    The significance of this is that, apart from setting Jacen up as the new Jedi Luke spoke of in Conquest, which was foreshadowed in Dark Tide in the way Jacen was looking for a new way of seeing the Force, is that it will unify the SW tale and the EU as a result.

    It has been clear since NJO began and the TPM movie released that there were huge differences between the Jedi that were and Luke's order. Not least was the attitude to emotional attachments: the old Jedi were against, Luke permitted them.

    This leads to a split in the EU and SW: How to reconcile the two? Is Luke's order truly better than the old? The return of Vergere, by her betrayal of the Vong, leads to a possibility of synthesis. The old Jedi had the thesis about emotional attachments being bad, Luke's order holds the antithesis of that, thus a synthesis is needed which Jacen might supply, due to Vergere's teaching of the Old order's ways.

    If that can be the case, why not a resolution of the Force conundrum? In VOTF we had the idea of a Force sense for action opposing that of guidance. In COD there is the ideas of the unifying Force versus compassionate/living force. In both there is an immediate versus longer term conflict of perception of an event or problem and how to decide how to act in relation to it.

    In this way the title of NJO will finally acquire substantive definition and force, as due to Vergere's return, a synthesis of the old Order and Luke's order is created. One that takes the best from both, while discarding the flawed and cancerous ideas that destroyed one and came close to destroying the other. At the same time, the overcoming and resolution of these paradoxes and conundrums may lead, even should lead, to the reformation of the Republic to what it should be, or once was long ago.

    In doing this, NJO will bind the SW EU together in a very final fashion. The OT, the Bantam EU, Marvel EU and DHC comics plus the PT will be drawn together. With that in mind NJO will be the final act of SW, for there is little to do.

    This does not necessarily preclude tales of Ben Skywalker, for we have TOTJ as a precedent. I'd love to see Luke's son perhaps being the one to finally cleanse Korriban of the Sith, or that Luke does it in unison with his son, having now found out about the cursed and dark planet crypt.

    What is meant by my stating of there is little remaining is little in terms of the big picture: We can start with the PT, have the fall of the Or, the death of the Jedi, the rise of the Empire, move on to the Galactic Civil War, that starts with the OT and goes on to the revival of the Jedi and the final defeat of the Empire. Then we have the YV invasion as Luke is taking the Jedi towards the old ways, by reviving the one on one training and consideration of the Council, the YV throw all undertanding of the Force and what it means to be a Jedi into question, only a Jedi of the old and Luke's order may find the way through. With that done the part of the galaxy that remains free unites against the Vong, and following a hard fought campaign expels them from the galaxy. In the aftermath, a new Jedi Council and Republic is formed that both transcend the flaws of their predecessors while reaffirming their merits.

    If any SW fan were to ask a Q of 'what happened to..', after seeing the films alone, the above arc of PT, OT, Bantam/Marvel/DHC, NJO, supplies enough information to answer that Q. Q's of what happens after NJO to NJO characters are of a different category entirely.

    Anyway, time to draw this post to an end.

    Jedi Ben
     
  2. DVader316

    DVader316 Jedi Knight star 7

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    Very cool, Ben, although Im sure the purists wont be thrilled by these events. ;)
     
  3. ReaperFett

    ReaperFett Jedi Knight star 6

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    It has been clear since NJO began and the TPM movie released that there were huge differences between the Jedi that were and Luke's order

    I disagree. I feel that some Jedi are just like them of old.



    And I still feel this is just what happened with Mara in VOTF again. Luke is made to look dumber and dumber, as he has to rely on others to find things like this out.



    All the way through, the jedi part was what intrested me. Now it is just building to a major anti-climax
     
  4. Caine

    Caine Jedi Padawan star 4

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    From what I could gather from your post, Jedi Ben, you mean to stipulate that the NJO will unify an over-arcing idea of a Force spanning multiple eras.

    Do you mean to say that from this unification, there will remain little, if any, "significant" storylines to explore following the NJO?
     
  5. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 10

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    Personally, I'm more in agreement with you RF.

    First Luke is smashed by Corran and Mara.

    Then in NJO he is made worse and Kyp gets totally vilified by the powers that be and an arrogant teenager who went around convinced he always knew better than anyone else is going to get his delusions of grandeur indulged.

    I'll see how the next few books are though before pronouncing judgement.

    Intellectually, my post is a fairly accurate representation of my thought. I've been suspecting something like this since 2000, when it was clear PT and NJO were meant to bookend the saga with OT/EU in the middle with the Empire War.

    DVader316: The purists won't give a toss, they will simply maintain that all 6 movies form a perfect tale with no loose ends. It isn't true as far as I'm concerned but that'll be the line used.

    Jedi Ben

    Postscript for Caine:

    No. The first post addresses this in talking about how the EU will be able to answer any Q raised by seeing the movies. I've always viewed the EU as a logical extension of the movies and NJO's synthesis of Jedi Orders and Republics will mark an end to that. That does not mean that those hanging threads from NJO, like Ben Skywalker will not be addressed. It does mean I see no reason to address such threads, as they are extensions of NJO, which makes them extensions of an extension, which is pushing the limits of expansion personally.
     
  6. chissdude10

    chissdude10 Jedi Youngling star 5

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    I agree Ben, well done...
     
  7. Face Loran

    Face Loran Jedi Padawan star 4

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    This has nothing to do with the topic, but this is the first time I've seen the "DW" abbreviation for the next hardcover. It's going to take me a while to get used to it. Everytime I see it, I think of the old Disney cartoon, Dark Wing Duck. :D :p
     
  8. ReaperFett

    ReaperFett Jedi Knight star 6

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    Let's get dangerous :)
     
  9. NarundiJedi

    NarundiJedi Jedi Master star 6

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    I think of Arthur's sister from Arthur. :) Those silly anteaters. I remember when they were just characters in a book and not a TV show! :D

    Jae Angel
     
  10. chissdude10

    chissdude10 Jedi Youngling star 5

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    Not that I ever watch that show but I think her name is DW
     
  11. Dev Sibwarra

    Dev Sibwarra Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Interesting theory. I think that, to some extent, NJO does serve to combine different eras. But is this the only meaning? When the series was first planned, TPM hadn't even been released yet. Unless Del Rey had more inside information than they admit to, it would have been impossible to recognize a difference in the nature of the Jedi and repair it.
     
  12. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 10

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    True Dev but we are told that NJO is not a 100% preplanned arc but a story that has room to evolve along the way, maybe that is what has happened here.

    Jedi Ben
     
  13. GrandAdmPellaeon

    GrandAdmPellaeon Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I like it. You make several very convincing arguements. Besides, we could deal with a new group of heros/dangers anyway.
     
  14. Skydancer

    Skydancer Jedi Youngling star 2

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    I agree with you, Jedi Ben. In a way, Mr Lucas get his last trilogy done, except it's with books instead of movies. A simpler and cheaper venture over all! :)

     
  15. chissdude10

    chissdude10 Jedi Youngling star 5

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    No the EU will never die!
     
  16. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 10

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    All things die 'dude.

    Jedi Ben
     
  17. chissdude10

    chissdude10 Jedi Youngling star 5

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    I didnt mean that literally
     
  18. Face Loran

    Face Loran Jedi Padawan star 4

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    "Not that I ever watch that show but I think her name is DW."

    I think Chissdude gets the Captain Obvious Award this week. ;) :p
     
  19. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 10

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    No? WhatEVER would you do if the EU died then? ;) :)

    Jedi Ben
     
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