[ROTS] Did Palpatine know about Qui-Gon?

This line keeps rattling around in my head:

"To cheat death is a power only one has achieved, but if we work together, I know we can discover the secret."

That seems to describe Qui-Gon and his newfound ability.

Or is he referring to Plegueis?

 

Interesting.

According to the Clone Wars EU literature (Dark Rendezvous, Labyrinth of Evil), Yoda can only hear Qui-Gon's voice sometimes, and only when he is deep in meditation.

I find it hard to believe Sidious would be able to communicate with Qui-Gon or "eavesdrop" on the conversation.

I would think that line of Sidious' is that he's continuing the lie (I mean story) about Plagueis.

 

It's ironic that Anakin desires the ability to stop death, and turns to the dark side in the hopes of gaining that power, when all the time the light side (via Qui-Gon) is the one to find the true path to immortality.

I wonder why Yoda withheld that information from Anakin when discussing his premonitions. He didn't even seem to hint at Qui-Gon's ability to take a new path when discussing "death is a natural part of life, etc."

He probably knew of Anakin's instability and sensed that his attachments would be a problem for him.

 

Well, Anakin wanted to be able to stop death, so it wouldn't make too much sense for Yoda to bring it up one way or another since Qui-Gon's new found ability still requires a person to die.

 

anakin wanted to stop death for other people, namely Padme. thats what drove him over the edge. he wasnt looking for immortality for himself. at least not when he turned.

and i doubt Palpatine knew about QuiGonn. To him, QuiGonn was probably just another dead jedi that he didnt have to worry about.

 

That's the (ironic) core difference between the powers: Plagueis's power was to save others, but not himself, and Qui-gon's power was to save himself and not others. In theory they could have used the power to save padme as she was dying (like Yoda and Obi-Wan saved anakin after he died) but we don't know if they coude use that on non-jedi.

Mr. P

 

Doesn't Yoda say something about how you should "rejoice when others go to join the Force"?

Anakin could have pursued that line of thought farther, and perhaps could have been convinced that death is only part of the journey - especially for a Jedi.

I wonder what would have happened if Anakin had the conversation with Obi-Wan instead of Yoda.

 

Obi-Wan would have figured out what he was getting at and would have known how important and consuming it was for him to save Padme. He wouldn't have let Anakin out of his sight and... maybe everything would be different.

 

Nah, the one was Plaguis.

 

I do think Palps was talking about Plagueis.

But I was wondering why Anakin didn't consult Obi-Wan. I figured he would have gone to his two father-like figures (Obi-Wan and Palps), not someone who had never really trusted him in Yoda.

 

I think Sidious was referring to Qui Gon. During his conversation with Anakin at the opera, Palpatine says that Plagueis taught his apprentice everything he knew. If Plagueis was "the one" who had learned the secret of immortality, why wouldn't he have taught Sidious?

 

If Plagueis was "the one" who had learned the secret of immortality, why wouldn't he have taught Sidious?


The thinking is Palpatine knew Anakin couldn't let go of Padmé, so he lied to Anakin about Plagueis' power to keep people alive.

The only rational reason I can think of as to why Anakin wouldn't have consulted Obi-Wan is that in AOTC he sort of dismisses Anakin's dreams as not too important, yet they were proven true. So perhaps Obi-Wan wouldn't take Anakin's premonition seriously.

Perhaps it takes a certain midichlorian count/Force ability to have dreams/premonitions, and besides Anakin, only Yoda had it.