say what you will about Ziro, but I think he's a really underrated character.

Everybody complains about his voice. But still...

...he's a gay Truman Capote Hutt...

thats just badass

 

I agree. I like Ziro very much and I really hope that he returns in the series pretty soon.

 

I love Ziro! Sure I found him annoying at the start but slowly he has grown on me. Hope we see him again sometime soon in the future.

 

The "Hutts" are apparently the ones that hired Bane to spring Ziro free, and in TCW wasn't it said that Ziro would be dealt with harshly for his betrayal? Then when Bane rescues him, Bane demands Ziro pay him?

So, Bane frees Ziro only to have Ziro pay him for turning him over to a bunch of his angry peers that want to punish him?

I'm guessing/hope that, unless that whole thing gets swept under the rug, we will see more Hutts and perhaps a larger schism in the Hutt cartel than has already been revealed.

 

I agree. Played as a pathetic sort of character, he works for comedy.

 

Because I only saw the Clone Wars movie a couple of months after it opened, by then I was expecting Ziro to be the very worst thing to ever happen to Star Wars, from all the reactions I had read on the internet. By the time I saw the character in action I really appreciated him for what he was, and found him to be a refreshingly original one. He represents well a different side of the "decadent" Hutts, sort of pathetically menacing. I liked his design, specially the glowing tatoos, which fitted well with the sort of "urban clubbing" scene he seemed to be part of. Also the fact he spoke Basic wasn't a problem at all, that's a Hutt based on Coruscant, if he expects to be sucessful of course he has to speak the language of the capital.

That said, I didn't much care for his role in Holocron Heist. I felt that he was reduced to simple weak comedic relief there, simply complaining about everything around him.

 

Ziro runs the Black Sun right?

 

Well, he holds the rank of Vigo, so he's pretty high up. They're lieutenants under the main leader, I think.

Which brings up an interesting possibility. While his position within the Hutt Cartels is in doubt now, does he still hold his rank in that other area of the criminal underworld?

 

I don't think Ziro is necessarily gay.

He's pretty androgynous, I'll give you that.

Aren't Hutts supposed to be either genderless, or hermaphrodites? I'm not sure.

At first he threw me off because I wasn't expecting a Hutt to speak basic, and then in such an extreme way... haha. But I really love him now.

Where does this thing about Ziro being involved in Black Sun come from?

 

"Excentric" and "decadent" are words that better describe Ziro. Talking about an antropomorphic slug being gay is utter nonsense.

 

Both of your descriptives fit, and are part of the reason he rocks. But the gender bending (despite Hutt EU) is key to his charm and boldness, and cannot be denied. How about, instead of the generic gay, we go with the perhaps more accurate transgender?

 

Androgynous, is what I'd say.

 

No. It is said in the "announcer's voice" in the beginning of Hostage Crisis that Cad Bane & Co are "sinister agents of Count Dooku", or words to that effect. So no, the Hutts did not hire him.

 

Yes, androgynous would be the best way to describe him. Hutts are hermaphrodites, so it makes no nense to call one gay or lesbian or whatever. Ziro just happens to be comfortable mixing both demeanors in a single persona.

 

I don't mind Ziro, I think he's amusing, and of all the characters in TCW I think he's the most surprising. And it's not like he's pushed in our faces all the time, he's hasn't been used very much in TCW. I think Ziro is over-the-top silly, but not in a trying-too-hard way like Jar Jar. Maybe it's because he's a villain.

Who does his voice, by the way?

 

Yeah, as long as you're referring to his gender identity, there's an umbrella word for what you're describing: transgender.

Okay, let's put down Wookipedia for a second, and remember that a majority of the audience will never know that Hutts are supposedly born without gender. All they know is that Jabba's uncle has a little swish to him. Consider it an out-of-universe discussion, if it makes you feel better. But its an interesting and conscious element to the character. Who else here doesn't think GL had any idea that Hutts were supposedly gender-neutral when he picked the voice for Ziro?

 

I don't see a reason to label Ziro as whatever. He's different from other Hutts we've seen, that's enough for me. And what with all the rumors about Hutts being in season 3, he'll probably be back in the show soon enough.

 

If I were a 10 year old kid watching Ziro, I'd probably find him humorous. I don't think that at that age I would link his voice to any kind of social stereotype. I probably wouldn't even now at 23, if I did not know who Truman Capote was.

To a child it would probably be just another wacky cartoon voice, no different than the likes of Cheshire Cat or the Caterpillar in Disney's Alice and Wonderland movie.

I've never really had much of a problem with Ziro's voice aside from the initial surprise of a Hutt character speaking English/Basic.

 

Ummmmm, not so sure...

Androgynous = being both male and female = hermaphroditic

...which is not the same as transgender = transsexual (Dictionary says: a person appearing or attempting to be a member of the opposite sex, as a transsexual or habitual cross-dresser)

So I still think androgynous describes him better than transgender. It's a subtle difference, I know.

As for your question, I'm not sure what went on in Lucas' head for Ziro. Perhaps he went 'let's make him look gay', or perhaps he did have something androgynous in mind. I wouldn't put it past him.

 

I would like to see more of Ziro - maybe have Jabba send a bounty hunter (Boba? ) after him. It felt very sudden when Bane & Co broke him out and then - nothing! He just disappeared! It was a nice episode, but it did feel very random.

 

The moment Ziro showed up in the movie I just started laughing my ass off in the theater. There weren't that many people in the theater so they were probably annoyed, but I couldn't help it. I love him. I went online afterwards and was shocked to see so much hate on him. To be technical he's not a gay Hutt because of things already discussed, but if you can just drop that for a moment and have some fun about it (I'm not saying looking at it from the other point of view and everything fitting in perfect doesn't inhance one's fun alright, you know what I mean by this) then yes he's a gay Hutt and I think he's hilarious. Couldn't wait to see him in the season 1 finale when I found out he was in it.

 

To be honest, at first I thought Ziro was a joke, but watching him in Hostage Crisis over and over again and what little he was in the webcomic(I still have yet to see the movie), he's not bad...I mean there are worse characters( Karina, anyone? ) I wouldn't mind seeing more of him and I hope we do(perhaps in a season ending episode or reintroduced in the third season.)

 

I absolutely love Ziro.
In my own humble opinion, Ziro is one of the best characters to come out of this series.
I know, that sounds extreme, but I think he fits really well into this animated universe.
Ziro is not only evil in the old-fashioned Saturday Morning Cartoon sense of the word, but he is also incredibly funny and I enjoy characters who have a little (or a lot of ) comedy to them.

I also like his voice. I don't read into it much.
It's just an unexpected and funny cartoon voice for a Hutt to have.
Plus, it is refreshing to see a Hutt who can speak another language.

I would love to see him again.

 

Yeah, I think Ziro really has a swell Truman Capote voice. He never struck me as a black or gay sterotype at all; Ziro's voice reminded me of a nasally Southern landowner/politician/sherrif since Day One.

 

I think Ziro is really funny,sure the voice can be annoying but its a great Capote impression.Hopefully we will get more Ziro in the future..id also like to see more hutt's introduced.