Should bullets be the bane of lightsabers?

Every weapon has a flaw a weakness thats inherant to its design.

Swords, Guns, arrows, tasers, lasers, spears, staffs, kali sticks all have pros and cons.

If you think about it, When a slug its a lightsaber it is vaporized (If the saberist is "lucky") superheated into slag if they ar not.

A metal Slug sublimating into a gasious state would be a violent affair would it not?

A automatic weapon able to put a great eal of slugs into the air in only a fraction of a second would present a whole diffrent problem.

A Shot gun fireing buck shot (Or an equvilent sized shot) would present diffrent problems.

In the conterperary GFFA it would make sense that this rarely used tactic. The Jedi are few, the odds of comming across one is low, firearms use specilized calibur slugs. But if an opponents knows they will be facing a Jedi would packing a p-90 be all that hard?

Or in the Kotor era or MMORPG Tor era, thousands of Jedi thousands of sith, Would a trooper be off base having a Glock or a M-16?

I mean Lando carries a slugh thrower.

 

the jedi response in DN to shatterguns(basically RL automatic firearms) was to dodge the incoming volley and if you were skilled enough in the Force to deflect the pellets via telekinesis.

so I guess it should be a minor weakness to the saber, not like the lightsaber has that many.

 

I started a similar thread aeons ago. It makes sense to me that bullets should slow down most Jedi. There are those like Caedus and Luke that could probably bad them off their hands. Course there is no real reason that a barrage of laser blasts should be less lethal than old fashioned bullets.

 

It depends on how fast it takes to get that bullet in a gas state. With lightsabers I imagine it is very quick and effective in that quickness, or else enemies of Jedi would just make widespread use of bullet weapons rather than blasters.

 

are there armor piercing rounds in the GFFA ?

 

Everything in SW is armor piercing.

A Colt .45, as I recall.

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Doesn't Mace block slugs in Shatterpoint?

And I know it sounds bad, but I reckon Jedi could do a Matrix thing with the Force.

 

Hm. I'm torn on this.

I could see someone fairly powerful swatting a bullet out of the air with a big wave of Force, but just bringing one to a dead stop? I dunno.

 

Size matters not.

 

Well, they're tiny - it wouldn't matter anyway. But you need focus and concentration, and it's a very small, very fast object. Maybe in the midst of meditation, but in the heat of battle?

 

I'm not saying that this is something that every Jedi could do, or do all the time. But it's in the realm of possibility.

Or maybe not. I seem to have memories of Tahiri using the Force to do something with the air to try and choke some Yuuzahn Vong.

 

I suppose if it can't survive ewok rock technology....

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If Obi-Wan in ROTS is any sort of example, "heat of battle"="profound state of meditation" for a Jedi. Every single scene describes how he's virtually aware of everything around him. Also, Obi-Wan's ability to block shots/sabre strokes is stated as having a maximum capability of 20 blocks a second; even most fully-automatic weapons fall in the median of that, from 10-15 rounds a second. There are a few machine guns that reach (and a very few that exceed) Obi-Wan's listed blocking ability, but they aren't small arms by any stretch of the imagination.

As for the potential of a round "reacting" to a sabre blade: no, bullets are tiny bits of metal. Typical military pistol and rifle rounds here on Earth weigh from 62 to 150 grains; a grain is around 64 milligrams or 1/7,000th of a pound. A mass that tiny would be vaporized by a sabre blade without so much as a blink.

Sure, the Jedi wouldn't be able to deflect them back at a firer, but Jedi simply don't stay planted against people with firearms, blaster or otherwise. They are blocking and also moving faster than the normal human eye can track towards you. A great case is Jango and Windu; Jango fired shot after shot at Mace. None were deflected back at him, and it also did not hinder Mace's progress towards Jango in the slightest.

 

couldn't say a force bubble have a similar effect for protection ?

 

Well, blocking, yeah, but stopping? Even if it's doable, it shouldn't be anywhere near as easy as a block.

 

I seem to remember the Corellian forces defending Centerpoint Station in Betrayal used missiles, flamethrowers, and various types of slugthrowers as anti-Jedi weapons. And that Jacen and/or Ben weren't prepared for it, and nearly got covered in molten metal when they tried to deflect the slugs.

I'm also remembering the games Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy, where the FC-1 Flechette Launcher was particularly destructive to you. It was like taking a shotgun blast; it was like buckshot, and you could only minimally defend yourself from it.

 

Care to explain what difference there is between blocking and stopping? Bullets probably don't travel anywhere near as fast as blaster bolts, which means Jedi are dealing with way more kinetic energy than you'd get off a bullet anyway, and then of course there's the fact that Jedi are blocking/stopping with incredible amounts of Force-powered strength; we get a hint of the sheer physical power Jedi can wield again in the ROTS novel, when Obi-Wan bends Grievous' arm back on itself like 'a cheap spoon'. This is an arm capable of taking a hit from a starfighter laser cannon.

Bullets don't have anything on Jedi.

 

I'm talking about a Jedi pulling a Neo and bringing a bullet to a midair halt. I have no doubt that Obi-Wan (or most anyone) could block any number of bullets with a lightsaber, but I'm having trouble with the idea of one mentally bringing them to a dead halt - easily, at least.

 

Projectiles, meet Jedi. Jedi, projectiles.

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Game, set and match.

 

^ love the micro series

in Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy you force deflect the rockets back to the enemy. wouldn't that be harder than force halting bullets ?

 

Don't blaster bolts seem to travel slower than bullets in some film scenes?

Well, the rockets are traveling significantly slower ( and come one at a time ), for whatever that's worth.

 

You're going to the CWAS? Really?

But seriously - do flechettes fire as the same speed as bullets? I genuinely don't know, but my impression of the technology has always been more akin to tiny missiles/darts. If we're really gonna go off the cartoon for this, you can actually see them flying in at him, which wouldn't be the case for a bullet.

I dunno. Clearly I'm outnumbered on this.

 

well that is true, it's that I figure reversing the direction of said projectile would be more difficult than stopping the bullets momentum. In Dark Nest you had both Luke and Jacen force bat back the projectiles but I think it's possible to fully stop the slugs/pellets/bullets it might not be as logical to do in battle.

 

The clone wars flechets were moving significantly slower than bullets. Bullets move faster than human visual perception.

Some move faster than sound.