Should Grievous have first appeared in AOTC??

I have been thinking that General Grievous should have appeared in AOTC, rather than in just ROTS. I think it would have been quite interesting if nothing else to have had him appear at the least in the war room with Dooku before he left with the Death Star plans. Then just before Dooku leaves, he tells Poggle the Lesser that General Grievous will now be in command as I return to my master.

But I have thought, how interesting it would have been had Grievous entered during the arena battle, and he had come in after Jango went after Mace in the arena and stood by Dooku and watched the battle with him for a moment. I had even thought it would have been interesting to have had Grievous engage and kill some Jedi in the arena before the clones arrived. Then of course he escapes and catches up with Dooku in the war room with Dooku and the other Separatists leaders.

I am not saying this because I really liked Grievous, because I really did not care for him, especially with his first time appearance in the films in ROTS and then quickly disposed of. I know Clone Wars cartoons are to be included as part of the actual story; however I still think Grievous should have appeared in AOTC

I know there was only a one time appearance for Maul and Jango, but their appearance and disappearance was necessary in terms of the story. Grievous's appearance really makes no sense, because Dooku was the leader of the Separatist, and why could not someone like Poggle the Lesser or one of the other Separatists leaders have served as the General of the droid armies?

If grievous had been introduced near the end of AOTC in the Separatist war room, and Dooku had said something like, I must attend to other matters my master desires of me, so now Grievous will be in command, that would have made sense and been understandable as to why he appears in the first place

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I agree, he just came outta nowhere.

 

i dont think he should have been a major character in AOTC but he should have been there because unless you watched the clone wars cartoons he came out of nowhere.

 

He could have been put in at the end of AOTC, as an Evil Illusive Caracter. Just a couple of glimpses.

 

So it's not enough to just be able to infer from the events at the beginning of ROTS that Grevious was put in command at some point during the 3 YEARS in between ATOC and ROTS?

While were at it, we need to see Comander Cody at Clone OCS, and Lushro Dofine at the CIS Naval Acadamey talking about his anger at the republic for it's hand in his brother Daultay's death.

We also don't know how/why/when the Invisible Hand was created. I mean, it just came out of nowhere. There should have been a scene in AOTC where Dooku, and Grevious discuss the design of GG's future flagship. The very last scene in the movie should have been a shot of The Hand being constructed in orbit over Mon Calamari.

Sideous should have been in the War room at the end too. He should have been telling GG to move the Sepratist leaders to Utapau.

 

If you ask me, General Grevious should have first appeared in TPM as the leader of the Droids. However do show him in combat, save that for ROTS but in TPM and AOTC we could atleast seen him take up a more political/general side of things and then in ROTS we finally see him fight....and die.

 

no, not TPM. But yea, briefly in AotC. Only a quick scene, like seeing him in the box with Dooku and maybe fighting a jedi or something in the background. Or at the meeting which obi spied on. He'd have to be addressed as Grievous once or twice to establish the connection.

Alot of people who arent in to Star Wars as much as us were confused by

a) Palpatines capture and the ship still ebing in orbit of coruscant

b) Grievous popping up out of nowhere.

 

It's not a story teller's job to spoon feed the watcher or reader every detail. Dora the Explorer is designed to spoon feed the viewer every detail. If you've never had to sit through that dreck, wait 'till you have kids. Then you'll know what I mean.

 

I quite enjoyed Grievous' appearance "out of nowhere" (I don't watch the cartoons) in ROTS. It's the sort of thing that tells you that a lot has happened since AOTC--here's this infamous villain in the galaxy that wasn't around at the beginning of the Clone Wars but is now a central figure. It gives him some mystery, too.

I doubt many casual viewers were confused about his appearance, either. His mention in the opening crawl is enough exposition to tell the audience all it really needs to know about him.

 

I like your idea, but I think there was enough new stuff in AOTC without having GG. Think about all the new stuff: All the Separatist, clones, Jango, Dooku, JEDI Anakin, clone war, Lars family. In my opinion there was enough new characters and events without having to meet the new droid army's general. Plus he woundn't have being as well done in CG than he is now.

 

Yeah, I heard about Grievous here and there, but never really got a good look at the guy. He was mentioned a few times in Jedi Trial and Dark Rendezvous, so I was really looking forward to seeing him. Then comes Labyrinth of Evil, and it was really cool too finally see this menacing new villain as he terrorized Nute Gunray.

But when I watched ROTS, he really didn't seem all that menacing at all. For a supposed Jedi-killer, he would run from battle after battle. I was expecting him to actually put up a impressive fight against Anakin and Obi-Wan on the Invisible Hand, but that didn't happen. And then we got to Utapau, where Obi-Wan completely destroys Grievous before their duel was interrupted.

 

The characters you mentioned are not major characters in the story. Would it really have mattered story-wise if Commander Cody was even shown or made reference to in ROTS? No. And if you don't read the EU, how are you going to know who the hell Daultay is? Then everyone would wonder why Daultay Dofine wasn't in TPM or whatever. General Greivous was a major character in ROTS, and it would have been nice to see at least a cameo of him in AOTC so people aren't saying "who the hell is that guy, and why is he so important all of the sudden?" Like previously mention, a great spot would have been him in the room with all the other seperatist leaders at the end of AOTC or even in the scene where everyone is declaring their support to Dooku. He doesn't really have to say anything...just be there so we know who he is and who he is associated with. I think it would have benefited the story considerably and gave it a bit of continuity.

 

In fact, one might also complain that Yoda or Lando appear in Ep V out of nowhere. They are not even mentioned in ANH. As I understand, until now each SW episode introduced new characters, especially baddies, but not only (like for example Tarkin in ANH, Boba Fett in ESB, Jabba in ROTJ, Maul in TPM, Dooku in AOTC). So if Grievous had been present in AOTC, I guess GL would still have to invent one more character for ROTS. For me that would be far too many.

 

Lando and Yoda were introduced in the second chapter, not the third. By the time they made their appearances in ROTJ, we were already familiar with them, and they continued their business from the previous film.

As for Jabba, his has been a name mentioned throughout the entire trilogy, up until ROTJ. We weren't just introduced to this slug creature out of the blue, he was the reason Han was running and was frozen. Unlike Grievous, who shows up unintroduced, and we're expected to care as an audience.

 

There was a new character introduced in ROTS: Darth Vader

Also, ANH was limited because GL didn't know at the time that he was going to be able to make V and VI. It's not like Yoda, Lando, or Boba Fett came out of the clear blue in ROTJ. Hell, even Jabba had vocal references in IV and V before we saw him in VI.

 

Nice post!

You just beat me!

 

Grievous didn't appear in AOTC. That's all there is to it. The saga is what it is and I find it rather fascinating that it often takes routes we wouldn't expect it to. For example, if you experienced it chronologically, you wouldn't expect ANH to tell the story from the point of view of the Rebels, without ever showing what's happening on Coruscant.
Although, it shouldn't be very surprising with a new lead villian in ROTS since the same thing happened in AOTC.



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Well, first of all I was being sarcastic. I know those are not important characters, that's why I used them. See, it's kinda like satire.

Second of all, I don't read the EU and know who Daultay Dofine is.

Thirdly, when GL gave Boba Fett a "cameo" in ANH, fanboys went ape**** over how stupid it was. Why would it be any less stupid to do the same thing with GG?

Fourthly, GG was "dying" in a shuttle crash on Geonosis during the end of ATOC. So he wasn't even built at the time. I picked that bit of info up on the JC.

And finally, as someone pointed out earlier, GL ALWAYS introduces at least one new character per movie and I don't hear anyone ******** about Yoda, Lando, Mon Mothma, Count Dooku, and Jango Fett.

 

One of the few things I would actually like changed in the PT is having a cameo by Dooku in TPM, or at least mention of him (a la Jabba), and ditto for Grievous in AOTC.

It builds up excitement and develops the characters as well.

It's too bad Lucas thinks these characters up as he goes along (I assume). The whole Dooku/Lost 20 subplot, which I think was pretty cool, was cut out of AOTC. But to me, it was pretty obvious Dooku was a bad guy in AOTC.

If they had mentioned him in TPM or mentioned that certain Jedi were leaving the Order (for any number of reasons), it would have made him more ambiguous a character. Plus, Chris Lee is just cool.

I appreciate that perhaps Lucas didn't want to risk a crappy Grievous appearing in AOTC, and so waited until the time was right in ROTS.

Yet it's pretty obvious that Yoda v. Dooku in AOTC was at least partially a test for Yoda v. Sidious in ROTS.

 

That was sarcasm? I barely noticed

I was simply using the examples you gave to prove the point I later stated in that post. Didn't mean to get you all riled up there

 

Griveous was

1. CGI

2. In only one film

3. Had a huge impact for someone never before mentioned.

4. If he was in AotC, then the EU info would be altered because that subplot wouldnt exist. Or the time of his crash would be pushed back.

 

Man, you guys are literalists.

This is a HYPOTHETICAL "what if" scenario? That means, if we had the possibility to go back in time, fixing AOTC, fixing the subsequent EU, marketing, etc., would it have been better for the Saga or the PT or ROTS or AOTC to have Grievous appear in AOTC.

 

I do understand, but my answer is: no. I don't see any need for Grievous in earlier episodes and I got used to get new minor characters with each episode, so I guess I would be disappointed if ROTS didn't give me any. I'm rather glad that GL prepared sth for the last installment.

If you insist, I think one line - for example during secret Separatists Conference - delivered by Dooku and mentioning General (sth like with the troops of our friends from Trade Federation and under the leadership of General Grievous we wil have army blah bla) would be enough.

 

What I am really trying to say by creating this thread, not so much my thoughts that Grievous should have appeared before ROTS, but rather should he actually been created all?

Again, my thoughts are that since he did appear, and basically out of nowhere, then it would have worked better had he had at least a cameo in AOTC, in much the same way I agree that Dooku should have had a cameo in TPM(at Qui-Gon's funeral at the least).

Was Grievous really needed for ROTS? I say there were characters in AOTC that could have become the leader of the droid armies if that was the main reason he was created.

The Republic did not necessarily have one central leader for the clone army, they had several leaders and that being the Jedi and clones like Commander Cody.

Also, there was no real need to have some character that could battle and kill Jedi Knights, especially since we did not see it on film(and please do not say it happened in the Clone wars cartoon).

Again, one of the Separatist leaders could have done what Grievous did in terms of what transpired in ROTS. So this is why I think he should have been seen in AOTC since he became the central leader of the droid armies.

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Meh. As pointed out by someone above, each SW film has offered at least one new villain for us to enjoy. It just wouldn't have seemed right without a new villain.

ANH - Vader/Tarkin
ESB - Boba Fett
ROTJ - Emperor/Jabba
TPM - Maul/Sidious/Gunray
AOTC - Jango Fett/Zam Wessell/Count Dooku
ROTS - General Grievous