Should the Clone Troopers have just been Storm Troopers?

I like Clone Troopers, but what if Ep II had Storm Troopers, just the way they are in the OT? Would it connect better? Confuse or what?

Another thing, could Storm Troopers be named after the weather on their home planet Kamino?

 

We already have Episode III to connect between clones and stormies. Twenty years is not an unreasonable time for a uniform to change, particularly with a new government taking over.

Besides, the AOTC clonetroopers look SO COOL! I them!




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There's more symbolism this way: the CTs and STs, despite being the same, belong to the Republic and Empire, respectively. The different uniforms help highlight the change between governments. ST uniforms right off the bat would be too telegraphed, and wouldn't provide that same visual oomph that seeing the uniforms change does. The same philosophy also creates the cleaner, more colorful, and more artistic designs of the PT, compared with the drabber colors and blockier design of the OT.

 

Darth Loeak
Another thing, could Storm Troopers be named after the weather on their home planet Kamino?

They would have been named for the role. ?Stormtrooper?: A type of soldier who takes enemy positions by storm, ie direct assault. Stormtrooper is often used to indicate elite or well trained and equipped front line troops.

 

yes, but i think it's a funny parallel!

 

DARTH LOEAK
That's a cool idea for stormtrooper that I have never though of. However Lord_Imperius stated a more correct reason.

Lord_Imperius

They would have been named for the role. ?Stormtrooper?: A type of soldier who takes enemy positions by storm, ie direct assault. Stormtrooper is often used to indicate elite or well trained and equipped front line troops.

Stormtrooper is also based off the Nazi stormtroopers. Another Nazi based SW concept is the Imperial Admiral uniform.

 

no, because clonetroopers are not the same as stormtroopers.

 

I like Clone Troopers, but what if Ep II had Storm Troopers, just the way they are in the OT? Would it connect better? Confuse or what?

I think that you have to have Clone Troopers before you have Storm Troopers on a technical level, because there were small design flaws with the Clone armor. There would be a natural progression from one to the other as they found what worked and what didn't.

ther thing, could Storm Troopers be named after the weather on their home planet Kamino?
Nope, they were 'amed' after the Nazi storm troopers from World War II, because they're good at storming buildings or something like that. At least I think that's what I heard.

 

I doubt that all the Stormtroopers by the time of ANH are clones, anyway. The clones from AOTC have already been aged at least to their twenties, and ANH takes place what, 18 years after Episode 3?

The Imperial Stormtroopers are probably a mix of Clonetroopers, new clones from new donors, and recruits from different worlds. Hence, the differing heights and voices between the Stormies.

 

I would of prefered the clones to have the oT stormtrooper armour. It would of been more powerful that way and less confusing for some people who still don't get clones=stormtroopers not recruits.

 

But in terms of the Saga, it works fine, RS.
When seen in the numerical order, you'll see what happens to the 'good soldiers'.

 

I think it would have been too much if all of a sudden Yoda showed up with clones in the OT storm trooper uniform. There needs to be some evidence of progression to the storm trooper uniform, in order to show that improvements have been made in the 20 year span between Episode III and ANH.

Also, I would assume the Empire is still making clones for the storm trooper army through the OT. With Jango dead, new sources of DNA would be needed to make more clones. One could argue using the DNA of a clone to make more clones, but then that would have made it pointless for Jango to be paid for donating DNA for the 10 years between TPM and AOTC.

 

Yes, armor evolves over time. The battle of geonosis was the first time that it was really used, and the clones complained about a couple things about the armor, such as that it was uncomfortable in some places. These things were fixed later on.

 

The Stormtroppers ain't clones...you know??? You can clearly see there is height difference between many of the Stormtroppers...who knows maybe we will get an answer to why the Empire use real humans and not clones in episode III...

 

The Stormtroppers ain't clones...you know??? You can clearly see there is height difference between many of the Stormtroppers

That's because they used different sources for the clones. But AOTC does show that the stormtroopers are basically clonestroopers in different armor.

I would of prefered the clones to have the oT stormtrooper armour. It would of been more powerful that way and less confusing for some people who still don't get clones=stormtroopers not recruits.

Don't you think it would have too blatant, though? As it is, they're just familiar enough that we get the ST vibe without going overboard and saying "OMG TEH STROMTROPPERS!!11" Same philosophy with the not-quite-Star Destroyers, the Trade Federation spheres/poor man's Death Star, Palpatine's chair, and a bunch of other pre-OT designs. Things are going to change over 20 years, and it would be very poor design, IMO, to have the PT looking exactly like the OT. The thrill I got from seeing the CTs or the not-SDs for the first time is all the better because, in a way, it feels like you're being let in on a secret rather than the answer being given flat out to you. I guess it's a sort of dramatic irony - we know what's going to come of this, even if the characters and the non-fans don't. In a way, the ending scene of AOTC is the big revelation moment - the Imperial March revelas to us that this is the Empire, even if it doesn't look quite the way we expect.

 

I agree with Lord_Hydronium.

 

I second that agreement.

 

This is taken from starwars.com:

"Stormtroopers abandoned individuality in exchange for their loyalty."

And if I remember ATOC correctly the clones are born with little or none individuality...it means that the Stormtroppers was brainwashed not cloned...but I wouldn't say some of the higher ranking Stormtroppers are still clones.

 

In response to initial question...

No, that is what ANH is for.

 

I have to correct those of you who hold this common misconception:

Nope, they were 'amed' after the Nazi storm troopers from World War II

Stormtroopers were NOT used in WWII!

The term "stormtroopers" was used to refer to two different organizations.

The first stormtroopers were special units of the regular German Army, heavily equipped with grenates and machine guns, that would spearhead the attempts to break through enemy trenches. They first appeared in 1915--WWI!

The second use of the term came about in the 1920s, used to refer to the Nazi paramilitary group Sturmaibeltung, or SA. In 1934, Hitler used another organization, the SS, to destroy the SA. By the time WWII came about, the SA didn't exist for five years.

No unit of either the SS or the regular German Army during WWII was EVER referred to as "stormtroopers."

 

"But in terms of the Saga, it works fine, RS.
When seen in the numerical order, you'll see what happens to the 'good soldiers'."

Yeah it works fine, I just think it works better the other way. So much of SW is based on iconography.

Likewise Vader could look different in Ep3 then he does in ANH, it makes perfect sense that in 20 years his armour would change signifigantly, but from an iconigraphical (I'm not sure thats a real word) standpoint it makes much more sense for him to look exactly the same.

"Don't you think it would have too blatant, though? As it is, they're just familiar enough that we get the ST vibe without going overboard and saying "OMG TEH STROMTROPPERS!!"

Not really no, because they look so similar anyways that it doesn't really make a difference. If they were going to look distinct they should of looked REALLY distinct, but if they're going to look 90% like stormtroopers I'd rather there be no question who these guys are and get that "OMG THE STORMTROOPERS!!" Moment you just mentioned.

 

Do soldiers look just like they did in WWI? No the uniforms have evolved.

 

Good guys wear white, or do they?

 

Well they wear white on the outside because they seem good, but have black underneath because they are really evil.

Coversely Han wears a black vest because he tries to act all heartless and badass but underneath he is good.

And of course they symbolism continues with Vader in ROTJ.

"I doubt that all the Stormtroopers by the time of ANH are clones, anyway."

If your army isn't going to be 100% clones its pointless to have clones at all. Clones are perfect for Palpatine because they are 100% loyal and there is no chance of his enemies infiltrating his forces, if you have recruits then this is not possible, there is no reason to suspect the stormtroopers are anything but clones, and GL says they are all clones.

"Do soldiers look just like they did in WWI? No the uniforms have evolved."

But thats real life not a movie. Sidious hasn't changed his robes from TPM to ROTJ.

Its iconography, a different set of rules. Many SW characters depend heavily on their costumes and visual designs to help define their character. It doesn't matter that they might change with time in real life. Han probably would change his clothes during the story of ESB, but he doesn't. And there is no stormtrooper evolution scene in any of the OT films.

I understand what people are saying, there is nothing strange about the costumes evolving, and as some say it can be argued that it reflects the change in the republic to become the empire. But at the same time why would they modify the masks in such a minute and seemingly unimportant way? Are those little eyes really better then the Fett T-visors?

I just think as far as overall effect goes it would of worked better to make them OT stormtroopers, as even 2 years later people are still debating if the stormtroopers are clones. And I think it would of been more powerful to see them that way, and would really surprise people even more when they show up to help the Jedi.

 

Are those little eyes really better then the Fett T-visors?

The first design of the clonetrooper-helmets was more fixated on efficiency rather than comfort. To ensure that the clones kept their head cool, their improved helmets were fitted with built-in airconditioners at the sides. And because most clones appeared to suffer from bad breath, something that was only noticed on a grand scale due to the clonewars, a front air-conditioner was installed as well, completing the design to that of EP3. The final step to the ST helmetdesign was when statistics showed an alarming number of clonetroopers bumping their heads against opened doors - this was due to the changing role of troopers: from soldier on huge battlefields, to officers in close-quarter environments. The fin on their previous helmetdesign was eliminated so to significantly lower the chance of bumping ones head. It still happened though on occasions.



I just think as far as overall effect goes it would of worked better to make them OT stormtroopers, as even 2 years later people are still debating if the stormtroopers are clones.

For me, the overall effect is about non-existant. If a newcomer watches the films from I to VI, it probably makes zero effect if he saw evolving clonetroopers, or stormtroopers from the get-go. As it is, it reflects the evolution of the government, as others have stated. Anyway, if you wanted the soldier-costumes to remain static in design, would this imply that they used Star Destroyers from the start as well ??

And to those who debate if stormtroopers = clonetroopers: what does it matter either way ??