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Shouldnt Obi-Wan,Anakin and Yoda have changed their appearance at the end of ROTJ?

Discussion in 'Classic Trilogy' started by Mateo, Mar 16, 2003.

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  1. Mateo

    Mateo Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Okay this is just a thought but wouldnt you all love to see Obi-Wan Kenobi,Anakin Skywalker and Master Yoda change back into their younger selves after they appear to Luke at the end of ROTJ during the celebration?im saying after Leia walks up and brings luke back to the Rebels dancing around with Ewoks,you then see the Jedi Ghosts morph into young Obi-Wan AOTC,Anakin AOTC and Yoda AOTC, its just the thought of spending eternity as an old man when you could be young again,luke wouldnt see them morph into their younger selves because they would wait until he walked back with leia.

    Any thoughts?maybe George Lucas could put this into the DVD Special Edition of the OT.
     
  2. Jedi_Master201

    Jedi_Master201 Jedi Knight star 5

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    Perhaps they just didn't care? Their appearence may have been old, but their bodies were not. They were one with the Force at that time, so why would they care the least amount over what they looked like?


     
  3. Yuuzhan_Vong_Warrior

    Yuuzhan_Vong_Warrior Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I would think if they were ghosts, they wouldn't mind. Ghosts don't age, so it probably wouldn't matter to them.
     
  4. Mateo

    Mateo Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Okay think of it this way:would you want to look like an old man forever with wrinkles and gray hair or would you prefer to look young say when you were in the best shape of your entire life in your prime? i mean why go through eternity being old looking when you can look young again surely you would chose the latter.
     
  5. bedada3

    bedada3 Jedi Master star 4

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    What's wrong with being old?
    IN the afterlife, who cares how you look?
    In the afterlife, it doesn't matter what shape you were in when you died. You can do anything then.
     
  6. jedi_master_ousley

    jedi_master_ousley Force Ghost star 8

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    Well, as far as we know, they are the only "Jedi Ghosts" to exist, so I doubt if they're worried what others think, since they'll only see each other, and Luke.
     
  7. Krede

    Krede Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I recall a similar discussion and don't remember who gave the brilliant suggestion, that since the three jedi appear only to Luke, then it's basically his view of how he remembers their appearances.

    How they look is partly because of Lukes memories, they could look completely different to another person with different memories. They are ghosts and they take that shape because that's how Luke remembers them and can remember them; he never saw them as young people.
     
  8. Darth Dane

    Darth Dane Jedi Master star 4

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    Krede: Good answer. Luke could decipher teh symbols presented to him, where others might not.




    DD - Love

     
  9. Jedi_Master201

    Jedi_Master201 Jedi Knight star 5

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    This is true, I guess.... But also, the Three Jedi were their own seperate beings, not to mention they were actually part of the Force itself. I'm sure they're able to appear to whomever they want to, and I'm quite sure they can change their appearance when desired.


    It's not Luke that makes it possible to see them, it's the Three Jedi.


    EDIT: Well, maybe they aren't able to change their appearance... They aren't "ghosts", they still have bodies. Their bodies are just "glorified", as it were. Maybe the Force decides what they look like.
     
  10. JMaster Luke

    JMaster Luke Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    it wasn't up to luke to see obi wan and the others. the first time luke saw obi wan was because obi wan approached him. And obi wan appeared to luke the way obi wan wanted to look.

    So since it is up to the 3 jedi to look like how they want to, i agree that it would be nice to see them turn back into their youth. (not sure about yoda. everyone loves him as the old wise master. can't really see him as a teenage looking Yoda)

     
  11. I_mean_you_no_harm

    I_mean_you_no_harm Jedi Youngling

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    When Anakin died he was scarred and bald. His ghost was not scarred and had a head of hair. He did change into what he wanted. So they are how they wanted to be at the end of ROTJ.

    No more changing do you require. Already changed you that which you need.
     
  12. Krede

    Krede Jedi Padawan star 4

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    it wasn't up to luke to see obi wan and the others. the first time luke saw obi wan was because obi wan approached him. And obi wan appeared to luke the way obi wan wanted to look.

    Or did he? Obi appeared to Luke as an old man because that's the way Luke knew him. If he had appeared looking like Ewan McGregor, Luke may not have recognized him, and neither would the audience ;) at least not before the prequels.

    Luke feels the spirit through the force, he knows that it's Obi-Wan, therefore when he sees the ghost, he sees the old Obi-Wan he used to know.

    I don't think there's a definite answer, Anakin did indeed look different when he appeared as a ghost, but that might also have been the the way Luke imagined he would look. Or maybe it was the force.

     
  13. Smuggler-of-Mos-Espa

    Smuggler-of-Mos-Espa Jedi Youngling star 6

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    I don't think they all changed their appearance because i don't they they wanted Luke to see three ghosts of anybody but theirselves. Although Anakin did a little bit to show what he would've looked like if he didn't ruin his life in the reign of the Empire.
     
  14. Ret

    Ret Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Right, there's no real reason for Ben and Yoda to want to change.

    Ani has a reason to.
     
  15. JMaster Luke

    JMaster Luke Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I posted awhile ago about replacing the ghost obi wan with ewan mcgreger as obi wan as a ghost.

    Remember..... the first time ben appears to luke as a ghost luke questions if thats ben.

    "ben...ben...is that you?"

    well if they replace Old ben with Ewan Mcgreger that scene can work

    A young obi wan appears to luke. knowing that luke has heard the voice of ben after he died luke now questions if this ghost is ben too.

    "ben...ben..is that you?" and since the young kenobi ghost doesnt say its not ben, then luke would know it is him.

    so instead of the ghost looking old, as soon as they turn into ghost form they look young again. the age they would be in their prime.

    So it would blend perfectly into the movie.

    and since in ESB and ROTJ luke will have gotten to know the young ghost ben at the end of ROTJ when yoda and anakin appears, luke would know who they are.

    "well i know that young guy. hes ben. the little green guy is yoda....so the other young guy must be my father"

    see it all works out. that'd be cool. i'd love to see Ewan Mcgreger as the Ghost kenobi. Would tie in the 2 trilogies better. at least thats what i think :)
     
  16. Darth-Vengence

    Darth-Vengence Jedi Padawan star 4

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    k.

    Anywho, I think they should look the age that they died. So, if they add Padme to the end, she should look pretty young. Shaw should be replaced by Hayden who looks old.(with hair)

    This would be what they looked like without scars and with hair! Then make Yoda digital, and leave Guinness alone, cause he died when he was old.

    So, everyone else should be either changed/replaced/or added in, exept Alec.
     
  17. Jedi_Master201

    Jedi_Master201 Jedi Knight star 5

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    No. [face_plain]


    ;)


    Truthfully, I think it's all fine the way it is. There's no need to change the Jedi, or add anyone else (especially not Padme... She isn't a Jedi... Only Jedi can do this thing...).
     
  18. YodasGroove

    YodasGroove Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Interesting question Mateo. It reminds me of something psychic Sylvia Brown said on The Montel Williams Show. She comes on his show about once a month, and his ratings go up everytime she does. She also used to come on "That's Incredible" back in the 70's and 80's.

    Sylvia says when humans "crossover", "go to heaven" or "make the transition", we all are "30 years old" on the other side. She says this gives us still the youthfulness of a young person, yet the wisdom of one who has been here long enough to know better, and has life maturity, etc.

    She also has said before, that when a guardian angel or past love ones comes to us, they'll come to us in the form we best remember them. Maybe that's why Lucas decided to use Anakin's, Ben's and Yoda's appearance to be as Luke remembered them last.

    See more at www.sylvia.org
     
  19. Krede

    Krede Jedi Padawan star 4

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    ...they'll come to us in the form we best remember them. Maybe that's why Lucas decided to use Anakin's, Ben's and Yoda's appearance to be as Luke remembered them last.

    I totally agree with that.

    But the thing about people coming back looking as 30 year olds .... what about people who die before they reach 30?

    JMaster Luke - I think the reason Luke asks 'Ben is that you?' is because; a) He's in the middle of a snow blizzard and can't see very well and b) He's surprised to see a ghost, who wouldn't be?

    Anyway, I don't think anyone should be replaced or anyone added to the ghost scene.


     
  20. LUKE-SPYWALKER

    LUKE-SPYWALKER Jedi Youngling star 2

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    They appear in the image of themselves at the moment of death.

    They are ghosts NOT time-machines
     
  21. Darth-Vengence

    Darth-Vengence Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Thank you Luke! ;)

    They should look like how they died.
     
  22. JMaster Luke

    JMaster Luke Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I know luke says "ben is that you" in the snow cuz he's in the middle of no where and he's confused to see a ghost in the first place.

    BUT i'm saying IF they added a young kenobi (ewan mcgreger) then those words luke says would fit in nicely. it would basically show luke figuring out this young jedi is obi wan.
     
  23. Master_Sidious

    Master_Sidious Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Thank you Luke!

    They should look like how they died.


    Yes, as Shaw, not Christensen.
     
  24. Spike_Spiegel

    Spike_Spiegel Former FF Administrator Former Saga Mod star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I recall a similar discussion and don't remember who gave the brilliant suggestion, that since the three jedi appear only to Luke, then it's basically his view of how he remembers their appearances.

    That would be me ;) Thank you :D
     
  25. jedi_master_ousley

    jedi_master_ousley Force Ghost star 8

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    I don't recall if this has been said or not, but probably because the prequals were still 16 years away with no true plan to make them so they wouldn't know what they'd look like and it would be a lot harder to find actors just in case they did make them.
     
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