Sith Alchemy and everything in between

Okay, so I was reading in another thread about how one person didn't think Sith Alchemy existed. Another person argued that it did, while yet another said it was all the force. I'll just get my personal belief on this out of the way.

Okay, am I allowed to say it's evident that Palpatine was stronger than 99% of the ancient Sith? I think his RPG stats had him equal with Ragnos, but even there no one beat him right? Now we see Sadow doing some pretty impressive stuff which he says is all attributed to Sith Alchemy. Now I'll play devils advocate and say maybe Sith Alchemy is extreme manipulation of the Dark Side of the force. But we also have these gauntlets and crystals involved. Of course we're all not strangers to crystals that can up your force ability. But there's some major dark wizardy stuff going on too. Calling up Sith Spirits, and all that razamataz.

My point... if there is any... What do you guys think? Do you Sith Alchemy is a state of mind? Do you think that Sith Alchemy and the Force are one and the same? Do you think it's straight up magic? Maybe magic AND the force?

Discuss.

 

I'll restate my opinion that it's all the Force. Magic in Star Wars has thus far always been attributed to the Force; whenever there's a report of someone being able to do real magic, it's shown to be because they're Force-sensitive. Just about the only example I can think of where this is not true is with Waru, but that's too weird and loaded to get into.

The original Sith were Dark Jedi outcasts who were exiled from the ancient Republic and went out into the Unknown Regions (which was much, MUCH larger at that point). These Dark Jedi found a race called the Sith, and enslaved them through the Dark side. Hence the title Dark Lord of the Sith. Now, here is my opinion on what happened: the Sith (race) viewed these Dark Jedi as magicians and sorcerors, and as time went on and the Dark Jedi dynasty began to identify more and more with the Sith, they began to believe it as well. So, in the beginning, the original Dark Jedi came and used both their powers and theatrics (i.e. rituals, incantations, sacrifices) to make the Sith (race) hold them in awe, not just in fear. As the generations passed, the theatrics became more and more integral to the powers themselves, because the Dark Jedi believed, as the Sith (race) did, that they truly were magicians. But they weren't; they were Dark side users. Much like the Witches of Dathomir, these ancient Sith Lords began to believe that the rituals and incantations were completely necessary, and thus called it sorcery.

Of course, the Dark side of the Force is akin to sorcery, in that it bends the natural Force of the galaxy to one's will. But that's all it was; the Dark side. The ancient Sith Lords merely deluded themselves into believing they were more special than they really were.

 

Well, I know its all the force, but I was under the impression that they are basicly, diffrent catagories of force powers.

I think that Force lightning, force fire, and similer powers are sorcery.

Alchemy is when they use the force to maniuplate materials to make weapons, armor, droids and ships with unsual properities. LAso, alchemy can be used on living creatures to make abominations, give them force abilities, or prolong one's own life.

Normal force powers are things like push, choke etc...

I'm not sure where mind influnecing powers or illutions belong.

 

I think there is no such thing as Sith Sorcery, I think it is just the full power of the darkside of the force. Most people dont even understand regular force use like the jedi have (push,pull,ect.) how is someone gonna react to a guy shooting lightning from his hands.

Sith Alchemy on the other hand reminds me of Bad Science (Nazi Experiments in WWII) mixed with darkside powers to create things or imbue them with more power or corrupt them.. in recap Alchemy.. yes.. Sorcery.. no..

 

Notice that the Dathomiri witches are often called Force Witches. In the GFFA, I think the Force is a medium through which "magic" can occur. In TJK, it says Jacen casts a Force spell to create a sphere of light. I found this interesting because "casting a spell" is like magic, yet it's of the Force.

 

In the second Ewok movie, The Battle For Endor, there was a witch who had a "magic" ring that allowed her to turn into a bird. IIRC it was later retconned that she was a Nightsister. Again, an example of magic in the GFFA being revealed as the Force.

 

did you guys even read my post? Yes-no, I really don't care.

But what do you think of the break down of force powers

Moving stuff
mind affecting
"sorcery"-aka force lightning and stuff
alchemy

 

it already has been broken down in the RPG sourcebooks.

 

Yes, I read your post. Most people tend to read all the posts in a thread before they reply.

 

"The Dark Side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some may consider to be...unnatural"


I think Sith Alchemy is just a perverted use of the Force. Since the Force is created by and exists within all living things, it is possible to use it to alter the very nature of lifeforms. One simply has to not care about the damage they are doing to whatever they are expirimenting on, and have no moral limits with the way they choose to use the Force. I think this is the true nature of Sith Force use, beyond the more combative powers we see in the movies (telekenisis, lightning, ect). It's a direction application of the darkside that corrupts a living being.

 

Okay, how did the RPG break it down? Please?

 

I found it to be quite fascinating that Darth Plageuis' abilities tied right into the Sith alchemy seen in the Tales of the Jedi series and other sources.

Score another one for KJA.

 

So the Dathomirian tribes chant Metallica and the old Sith hocus-pocus with chemicals. You're still touching the Force, and how you bounce your bum makes no difference.

 

Really, Sith Alcemy and Sorcery and Magic are all ways of using the Force. I really don't even know why I'm posting, becuase everyone is saying the exact same thing, pretty much. I think the only reason the Sith refer to their abilities using magic-ish terms is because the orriginal Sith were actually a primitive race concquored by the outcas Dark Jedi after the First Great Schism. These Jedi became the first Lords of the Sith, tyranical rulers who used the Dark Side to subjugate the masses. The Sith peopl worshiped them as gods, and natural would have thought of the strange powers of their Lords as magic. (Sorry for any misspellings)

 

Probably, though I think Alchemy denotes the ability to use the Force to manipulate the atomic structures and so forth.

 

Yeah, I meant to say that somewhere in my post, but I forgot.

 

The Jedi seem very reluctant to use Sith Alchemy. Technically, there isn't anything in the Jedi Code that forbids it. Odd... Even if it seems a perversion of the Force, simple Alchemical tricks like changing the structure of a crystal isn't something that seems like a misuse of power.

 

I'm sure there are some Light Side powers similar to Sith Alcemy out there.

 

The very nature of Sith alchemy prohibits there from being any similar lightside power.

There is no lightside power that corrupts life for the sole purpose of creating an evil abomination.

Full Metal Jedi Alchemist: "Let me add a bit of Sith Guardian Hound to inflict untold pain and suffering, some tarentatek for the unparalleled rage... and some fluffy hoojib for cuteness. By the powers of the ancient Sith Lords, I give you, the 'Sith Guardian Tarentajib,' a creature so loveable - it will kill you."

 

Retcon alert - the Ewoks are actually Sith Guardian Tarentajibs!

 

A Jedi who created a creature with Sith Alchemy would be hard pressed to maintain control of it in the first place.

 

Hmm, well, Sith Alchemy doesn't limit itself to lifeforms, it also includes their alchemical Sith Swords. Those Swords are, as good or even better than a Lightsaber, not to mention, a Jedi can hone his Force powers more effectively.

And you don't loose a limb or two or need a Philosopher Stone to do some Soul alchemy

 

Diffrent Jedi have been know to have diffrent specailties. Sidious is good at Force Lightning (the most likly example of sorcerry)
Vader is good at lightsaber fighting and moving objects
obi-wan is good at mind manipulation
not every Jedi is as good at every aspect of the force.

 

Similar does not mean identical. By similar powers I meant the ability to affect things on the molecular level. Vergere, Cilghal, Tekli, Jacen, and even Luke demonstraded that ability in the NJO series. I did not mean that a Jedi could corrupt life like a Sith. However, I think that they could improve it by say neutralizing toxins, or using the Force to mutate disease-causing bacteria into beneficial bacteria by manipulating their DNA. Such uses would not create evil monsters, but would help others.

As for the swords, Jedi can copy that, too. Vodo-Siosk Baas used the Force to make his stick able to block a lightsaber.

 

Did he actually create his stick? I was always under the impression that he found a stick and imbued it with the Force.