Lit Sith and the High Republic

Obviously the High Republic era is a way to take a break from the Jedi vs Sith conflict, and focus on other dangers to the Jedi/Republic. But I believe its a question of when instead of if, that the Sith are going to make an appearance in this era, and not just near the end of the era in The Acolyte. Im sure even when they appear, Jedi vs Sith battles will be avoided because the Jedi believe the Sith are gone and the Sith don't want to reveal themselves yet.

What would you like to see when it comes to the Sith of this era?

Personally I think the Sith during 232BBY (when the HR books are set) should be stuck in a dark period (opposite of the Jedi's golden age). What if the Great Disaster unintentionally killed a Sith Master, leaving the apprentice not fully trained? Creating a last sith situation and the struggle to continue the Sith path. Would be a nice change of pace from Clone Wars content and their days in the Empire, with the Sith being shown as underdogs around 232BBY.

With several references to the ancient Sith in the books, I would love to see stories about Jedi exploring Sith ruins. We could have a horror story where a Jedi duo get trapped in a Sith Temple.

I also wonder what the relationship between the High Republic era (we likely will get answers in the Acolyte) ending and Sith intervention. Are the Sith responsible for the Republic's golden age ending? Or did they just take advantage of an already natural decline?

 

I think they should be depicted at a low point I'm their powers themselves. If the Jedi's abilities are hampered by the imbalance in the Force and the shroud of the dark side, so too should the Sith's be with either balance or this spreading of light(I'm not convinced it was ever GL's intent that a preponderance of good be considered imbalance in the Force).

This would do a couple things imo. 1) it would help explain why the Sith had to go into hiding at the conclusion of the previous war and remain so 800 years later. They haven't shifted the balance, and their abilities are hampered. 2) it helps explain why Sidious himself hid out for 30 years after Endor and had to sew discord on the sly before he could make another push for galactic supremacy.

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I honestly feel that the State of the Sith in the HR warrants a single comic arc or standalone novel at most.

They're offscreen for known reasons. Maybe The Acolyte will start moving them back onstage, but that's later.

 

I personally don’t expect to see the sith in this project, but I do reckon we will end up going to moraband for example.

 

The Sith will be in the shadows, maybe nudging events, when required. But otherwise just waiting.

 

Darth Nihil us fans want.

 

in the other topic shortly before this topic was created I posted this relevant bit:

 

I could see 1 book with the story of the Sith in that era.

 

They should be too weak and fearful to do that much.

 

I know some fans want the HR to have nothing to do with the Sith, but I still think they will have an important role to play eventually. Ultimately, there are two big things that should happen during this era:

1. The number of Jedi should decrease dramatically.

2. The dark side should become significantly stronger.​

Neither has to happen as a single event, it can be gradual. But both these events are the catalysts for the Sith to take a more active role in achieving their revenge. And it would make sense for them to have a hand in making these events happen.

The fact is we don’t really know much about what the Sith were doing prior to Darth Sidious. They were biding their time, but that doesn’t necessarily mean they were doing nothing. Considering the time period, it would make sense to me that they had finished regaining their strength centuries prior, and that at this point they have already been actively and secretly destabilizing the Republic. Which does make me think they must be behind the dark side powers of this era too.

 

No, I'd say those are two things that aren't allowed to happen until AFTER this era.

 

Well, during in the gradual sense. But yeah. I doubt it’s something that happens at once. It’s more like things start to go wrong and keep getting worse. Unless the writers are fully intending for this to only be the golden age of the Jedi, with nothing really happening to decrease their strength and numbers until “after it.” Which is possible, true. In that case any threat they encounter for the whole era will only be enemies that don’t have a lasting effect on the Jedi or the Republic. Which means that, yeah, the Sith would likely not be involved in that.

 

I mean i think connections should happen in gradual sense in general right?

It doesn't have to be AND THEN THIS THING LEAD TO PHANTOM MENANCE

it's more the subtle gradual nature of it....what planets are being used and how one can see the through lines of "Yes Plot A eventually down the road gets us to Plot Z"

Nothing has to be a big KABOOM moment and then yep their is the Prequels and Plagueis.

 

The Jedi having less numbers over time (300BBY-82BBY) doesn't have to be because of the Sith

Its quite possible the Sith are not the main cause for the Republic/Jedi golden age declining.

Perhaps the numbers of Jedi in the galaxy has been fluctuating at various times before the Clone Wars/order 66, in the 1000 year gap.

What if around 300BBY, the Jedi Order has a resurgence of numbers? With a golden age of the Republic beginning, so to did the Jedi Order expand in size. Im sure the very long reconstruction of the galaxy from the last Sith War, and various other issues, prevented the Jedi from reaching HR numbers sooner.

I do hope we get a number of how many Jedi are active in 232BBY.

 

Not going to lie but that would be very disappointing. If the Sith are weak and not doing anything or even just not the main cause (or at least the root cause). Then it makes them just be the club Palpatine happened to join, than a dynasty giving him the equipment and helping set the stage for him. Even Alexander the Great built off the work of his father.

 

I do think the Sith should be working behind the background, and committing plans that later aid Palpatine, but I just prefer the theme of the Republic falling out of its golden age for a variety of reasons.

First I’m sure the Sith are responsible for collapsing the Old Republic. Later the Sith directly caused the downfall of the Galactic Republic when it became the Empire. Eventually Palpatine used the First Order to blow up the New Republic.

So the Sith have plenty under their belt when it comes to devestating Republics. Therefore it would be a nice chance of pace if the Sith are not solely to blame for the Republics golden age declining, it would just make the development more interesting. We already got a Republic era which we saw the Sith end.

 

It was Palpatine who brought about the final end of the Republic. If any of the Sith Lords before Palpatine could have done it, they would have. That's not to say Palpatine didn't build on the work of his predecessors, or that the Sith were nothing. Just that they were weak and just trying to survive undetected in this time, trying to slowly accumulate connections and wealth. I doubt Plagueis was nothing, he was probably much more powerful and great than the Sith of the High Republic, but he also wasn't Palpatine, he wasn't able to do what Palpatine did or else he would have. It's not like the Sith were benevolently planning for a successor in the near/far-future to succeed, and they just held back out of patience for the most perfect outcome. No, they are selfish, they each wanted to be the one to do it, but it was Palpatine who ended up doing it, somewhat off of the foundation he was given, but also due to himself.

Star Wars needs to move away from the Sith being behind every bad thing that ever happened. It makes the world too small. Makes it seem like the galaxy would be paradise without two people from a line of succession always messing it up.

 

While i'm all for having non Sith villains....

I also think that the Star Wars Galaxy IS SMALL...It's not a large expansive one as people tend to think it is as at the end of the day.

 

But that IS what are saying. The Sith shouldn't be strong enough to overthrow the Republic and take over (remember the goal ISN'T just to take out the Republic but also get revenge on the jedi and take over the galaxy), but they should be making plans putting stuff in motion and the root of all the Republics problems, even if they are just pointing these problems at the Republic.

That IS what the Sith are doing though, each wants to do it themselves but each is also planing for the future and to weaken the Republic in the now.

Move away yes, but not IGNORE them either. They are a factor. They need to have some involvement. The Nihil don't need to be related to them in any way, but the Sith should play a role, since at this time the Sith ARE behind almost everything (or trying to get involved), bringing the Republic down.

If the Sith have no role in this time frame then it would be dumb.

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While i'm all for having non Sith villains....

I also think that the Star Wars Galaxy IS SMALL...It's not a large expansive one as people tend to think it is as at the end of the day.[/QUOTE]

There can be other threats, but this is the time of the rule of 2 so they need to be involved.

Note I don't expect the Sith to have a big role, but they need to have some role in making things worse.

Otherwise why not set this 2000 years before the movies? Why choose a time when we know the Sith were operating in the shadows?

 

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There is always the Acolyte show which might shine some light on this questions.

 

Lucasfilm gave us a new era of the Sith in the shadows because they wanted to give us a golden age of the Jedi/Republic where they are not being constantly attacked by Sith and Mandos. You go 1000+ years before TPM, and you delve into the constant eras of Sith vs Jedi. They could have gone lone before the 100yr darkness (pre-Sith) but they didn’t want to make the era to different from the PT.

 

That's in legends. We know nothing about that era in canon.

This 'golden age' isn't much of one since 4000odd years before TPM the galaxy was still in chaos.

But in this era they need to acknowledge that the Sith are there, looking for a way to play this. To not have them interact with these events is just odd.

@Jid123Sheeve I think it should be dealt with in the series proper, not some spin off set a generation later (even assuming that the show is made and involves the Sith at all).

 

I mean can you though if the Sith are in hiding and this era is relatively gonna be from the perspective of the Jedi?

Unless the Nilh leader at the end of the final book reports to Darth So and So in the end?

Or if a Jedi character finds the Sith and kills them off.

Or if their is like a interlude with the current Sith at the time commenting on events.

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Okay so I kind disproved my own point....Maybe a interlude then with like Sith characters commenting on events.

 

Canon wise there was the Jedi vs Sith struggle that eventually led to the collapse of the Old Republic.

Also canon wise, the 100 year darkness was a thing.

There could have been Golden ages of the Old Republic, especially since it predates the Sith, but Lucasfilm wanted to focus on the best era of the Galactic Republic. Have the benefit of the Sith not recking civilization and the Jedi having around 800yrs to recover from the war against the Sith, while still allowing for more RoT stories.