Sith Magic Vs. Force Powers

At some points in time, there are people that know "Sith Magic", notably the Devaronian in the Rogue Squadron "Requiem for a Rogue" arc and Aleema from the Emptress Teta system in Tales of the Jedi. Does this "Sith Magic" require actual command of the force or is it something that average Joe Evil can pick up on? I never got the impression that these people TRULY had command of the force but they could still use some pretty nasty force powers. Anyone have an opinion on "Sith Magic" or "Sith Alchemy"?

Carnage

 

I tend to be under the impression that "magic" involves a very different way of tapping into the Force than what Jedi do.

 

I think i agree. Obviously everyone in the galaxy is "Force sensitive" to some degree. Doing the jedi thing probably just requires an extreme amount of sensitivity. Sith magic may be a possible way for the average joe to communicate with the Force. Who knows?

 

I think the Devaronian was at least minimally Force-sensitive.

 

I always thought Sith "Magic" was akin to Dathomiri "Spells". It's just the Force, accessed in a fancy way. The Magic ingredients/words are just ways in which the mind is focused into the necessary state for certain feats.

Of course, considering some of the bizarre stuff that gets accomplished with Sith Magic, I might be wrong.

 

I think you may be wrong, too. While I agree that Sith Magic, Dathomiri Magic, and Ewok Magic are all the same thing, judging by how things are accomplished and more importantly what is accomplished with it, I'd imagine it's a very different way of accessing the Force.

 

I always got the impression that Sith magic (and particularly darkside-imbued artifacts) can amplify and exaggerate the power within an individual, but a certain degree of Force-sensitivity is required to begin with.

 

Ewok magic pwns j00.

 

I've always just asumed the dathomiri thing too, but the wookiee seems to otherwise.

I could be wrong, but having another "magic" in the GFFA besides the Force smels like obvious N-canon.

 

When i wrote this i expected some backlash. Is this something people agree on?

 

I think the key...can't find the noun I'm looking for. Key something-or-another here is that the Devaronian and Aleema were tapping the Force as it was stored in something or harnessed by something. Use of a Sith artifact, be it temple, talisman, or tome, does not necesarily require one to meet Minimum Standards for Jedi Training in terms of Force Sensitivity. You just have to not be a Vong or Ysalamar or otherwise deaf to the Force.

 

Weren't Aleema and Satal descended from--or at least distantly related to--Freedon Nadd?

I always figured Sith magic=Dathomiri spells=Force powers. Never seen an Ewok movie, so I'm not gonna touch that.

 

NAFAIR*. The Descendants of Nadd were Onderonian Royalty, but IIRC Aleema and Satal were Tetan aristocrats.

NAFAIR: Not As Far As I Recall

 

You dont know what youre missing. I highly recommend.

 

It's not outside the Force, it's merely outside the realm of traditional Jedi technique and thinking. We know it's not impossible for Jedi, as Jacen studied with the witches of Dathomir, but it's sufficiently different in one way or another from the more common Jedi/Sith approach so as not to be intuitive for them.

 

I was thinking the same about Aleema. Why was she the only one working the "Mindforms"? Why wasn't Satal or that other relative doing such things. I know at one point the blond haired guy said "Excellent, let me try next time" after Aleema really messed up Tutor Korus or whatever his name was.

Also, in the "Requiem for a Rogue" the Devoronian was overthrown by a Bothan that seemed to have better strategic mind and possibly better command of the force. I mean, the guy IS able to shoot his own hand off and have it reattach itself after attacking. With all the Jedi/Sith that have been disarmed in combat not a one has been able to accomplish this. Furthermore. DLLR is even able to do things with this Sith magic. He turns on the Devaronian and is able to communicate Telepathically with the Bith in Rogue squadron.

Finally we have "Sith Alchemy". Alchemy is basically a primitive/superstitious form of chemistry. If Jar-Jar binks was able to avoid spilling the ingredients on himself would he be able to cook up a mean Sith poison or do you have to be imbued with some type of force powers/possess some force amulet or such to be adept at Sith alchemy?

In all, I do not much like the thought of non-force sensitives being able to do force like things with the aid of devices. It puts a technological aspect into the force, further weakening the spiritual nature of the force. If capturing the essence of the force in some type of device is possible...perhaps Demagol and his Flashpoint labs, if not destroyed, would have led him to discover a way to imbue the Mando warriors with a foil to the powers of the Jedi.

Carnage

 

Yeah...I think it was stated somewhere officialy that everyone is fore sensitive to a degree, and I think I may have read somewhere that intuition was a manisfestation of force sensitivity.

Addtionally, Yoda's comments in ESB seem to make that impression.

 

All life is connected to the Force. I don't think that's ever been in dispute.

 

Ysalamiri?

 

That's pretty close to what the old WEG material and the WOTC articles said on the issue. To sum it up, the Force works through everyone and is made manifest at times even through non-Force sensitive people in a type of fortune. These "favors," if you will, stem from the Force to those with a great destiny, which can allow them to accomplish things that, otherwise, they wouldn't ordinarily be able to do; however, those without an affinity for the Force believe that they were either simply exerting a lot of effort, and did really well, or got really lucky.

Also -- KOTOR II mentioned at one point that a "Scoundrel's intuition" was actually a manifestation of a degree of Force sensitivity.

 

I actually had a theory for awhile that the more successful people in the Galaxy...people like Padme Amidala, Han Solo, Bail Organa, Mon Mothma, Admiral Ackbar, Wedge Antilles, Thrawn, Soontir Fel, etc. had a little more force sensitivity than the rest. These are people that seemed to have a great deal of intuition/leadership potential/foresight. This little bit of force sensitivity may not allow them to lift objects with their mind but may give them that "Gut Feeling" about a political issue, that sense that breaking left will shake the craft pursuing them, the degree of luck that makes them a slightly better card player, the ability to know what to say at the right time, the ability to look at a piece of artwork and just know how a particular naval commander will lead his forces.... Here on Earth it would be said that "God" has given some people the gift of being a talented Musician, Scientist, Athlete, or leader. Perhaps the force is similar in that it gifts people with special abilities and directs their actions more than is known.

Carnage

 

Hence he unconsciously Battle Meditated Greedo into missing him at point blank in the Mos Eisly Cantina.

I tend to think of Sith Alchemy as using the Force to alter the materials you're working with, hence, by my definition, you do need to be FS to perform Sith Alchemy.

Which is why I like my definiton of Sith Alchemy. If it requires Force Sensitivity to create such a device, and all life is Force Sensitive, then by all means, there is nothing technologizing (Is that a word? It is now!) the Force; it's just one FS giving another lesser FS a boost.

So I don't think Demagol would be able to imbue Mandos with the Force unless it is revealed that he is FS, and an FS Mando just reeks of fanwanking.

 

Wookieepedia's article gives the example of Aleema producing wide-scale illusions that fooled ships' sensors as well living beings' senses.

Sounds lot like Fallanassi "White Current" illusions to me.

 

I've always believed this myself, it's perfectly logical. If the Force flows through all living things, it can manifest itself through non-Jedi too.

For example, Han's excellent piloting instincts and famous luck are down to him having a few more midichlorians than the regular guy. Not enough to read minds or to lift objects. But enough to give him an edge.

 

Or, as the Star Wars CCG would have it, such people are "Force Attuned."