So, how is Farhenheit 9/11? (Official Discussion on the movie)

My guess is that people that don't like Moore won't like this movie, people that do like Moore will like this movie. So not much change there then.

However, Tarentino gave Moore a film maker of the year award, and at Rottentomatoes.com the film is rated fresh.

What are your views?

(People that have not seen the film, restrict your bashing/praising. We want views on the MOVIE)

 

Well, I guess it's fitting that we start a war of words in this forum too. It would be very nice to see people respect each others opinion about the pros and cons of this film.

 

I saw it Friday night and I think it was really good. He has shown the war from different viewpoints, something of which we don't get to see here in the US since most of the media is conservative. I think it struck a nerve with a lot of people who saw it. For instance, Moore showed Iraq before we invaded and then after. And the way he addressed 9-11, that was particularly powerful. I think for me one of the most disturbing moments was the footage of Bush in FL on 9-11 reading a book in an Elementary school and continuing to read the book while the US was being attacked. Overall, I thought it was good, but I would say it isn't completely based on facts, although I think most of it is. I don't think it will make a big impact on the election though.

 

I doubt I'll watch it anytime soon. Moore strikes me as a sensationalist propogandist, and not much more.

 

However, Tarentino gave Moore a film maker of the year award

Actually the Cannes Film Festival gave it to him, Tarentino presented it to him.


My friend watrfae saw it and enjoyed it, but she is a long time fan of Moore.

I'd like to see this movie sometime. Don't get to see many sensationalist propoganda movies anymore.

 

I think Moore is an attention-whoring bastard, and like Dags said, a grade-a sensationalist... But I loved Farhenheit 9/11, I thought it was excellent!

 

I won't be paying to see this film. Gonna wait til it comes on one Showtime.

So then I can watch a bit of it, get mad and turn the channel, and then it will come on two days later, so I can pick up where I left off.

(Used this method for BFC--took me two weeks to watch the whole thing)


However, Tarentino gave Moore a film maker of the year award, and at Rottentomatoes.com the film is rated fresh.


According to IMDb, Tarantino doesn't seem to be much of a fan of Moore's political squawking. Supposedly, he pulled Moore aside before the award was given and told him it wasn't because of the politics, but because of the filmmaking.

Which rather struck me as odd, since Moore's politics and filmmaking go hand in hand.


But oh well.

As long as Tarantino keeps making good films, I'm happy.

 

Tarentino giving Moore a film of the year award is pretty laughable since his own films are so darn bad!

 

I don't know, I think Bush may have had good intentions staying there and finishing the book. When Moore made a point of pointing that out, my thought was, why go running out of the class and effectively freak the kids out.

The movie wasn't too bad. I'm really not the most political person in the world, but I was curious about the movie.

My only real complaint with the movie was the one part where Moore basically made the soldiers look like blood-thirsty ******** where they were talking about getting ready to go to battle listening to metal.


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I'm going to have to disagree with you there Lukes_Lightsaber

Tarantino's films are so darn good!

 

Thats an opinion and not a fact, Lukes, and many people including people whos opinion i personally know and respect disagree with you. Tarentino is an excellent filmmaker.

I'll admit that Moore can be sensationalist. Sometimes even twisting and manipulating, creating half-truths, etc. I dunno if thats true in this movie. But that is the nature of the American political stage. Its not so much about who has more facts, but who presents the facts in the best light.

 

Tarentino is an excellent filmmaker.

That's your opinion.

 

Sorry, I'm not giving any money to Moore for his hourly Burger King binge session.


That, and I don't give much of my time to a man who calls terrorists a "Revolution" and "Minutemen".


"The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not 'insurgents' or 'terrorists' or 'The Enemy'. They are the revolution, the minutemen, and their numbers will grow - and they will win."

Michael Moore
April, 2004

 

please, this thread is for overall reviews of the movie





not of moore's character or talent.

 

Here is a rebuttal of some points Moore made. Note that it too is one-sided, and not necessarily accurate. Just like the movie. Except the rebuttal will never get the publicity that the movie does.

Patriotism v propaganda
June 28, 2004

Michael Moore claims the media has failed Americans but his critics say he is too subjective to be taken seriously, writes Caroline Overington.

Some Americans like to believe that Michael Moore is just like them: a working- class guy who loves his country and just wants a fair go for everybody. The reality is quite different.

Moore, in fact, loathes many of his fellow Americans. Of course, he never says so in America. But, in an interview with The Mirror in London recently, he described his fellow citizens as "possibly the dumbest people on the planet".

According to The New York Times, Moore - who is travelling the world, promoting his new film, Fahrenheit 9/11 - recently told an audience in Germany that Americans always had a "big ass grin on our face all the time, because our brains aren't loaded down".

In Cambridge, Moore told fans that America was "known for bringing sadness and misery to places around the globe" (a message he could not, presumably, have delivered in Germany or, for that matter, Japan, France, South Korea or Kuwait, to name a few).

But then, maybe Moore just loathes Americans who don't like him. Fans of Moore, he seems to like very much. Two weeks ago, he took some time to bask in their applause.

Shortly before 4pm on the Thursday before last a sleek, black limousine pulled up outside a cinema complex in Manhattan. A driver got out, opened the back door, and there was Moore.

With some difficulty he got to his feet. Moore was wearing his signature costume: a black T-shirt, black jeans, sneakers and a baseball cap. For several minutes, he stood around, signing autographs and coming over all humble when people started clapping, which was often.

A woman rushed up to Moore and said: "I'm so grateful to you for making this film" and Moore replied: "I'm just glad that people can get to see it."

Actually, Moore hopes for more than that. He hopes that his film will prompt voters to storm the polls in November, and evict George Bush from the White House.

The movie is certainly proving popular. Fahrenheit 9/11 broke box office records for a documentary when it opened in New York nearly two weeks ago and, over its first weekend, one in every two tickets sold in the US was for Moore's movie.

Reviews have largely been very good, or excellent. The New York Times described the film - which won the top prize, the Palme d'Or, at this year's Cannes Film Festival - as "the best Moore has made so far, a powerful and passionate expression of outraged patriotism". USA Today's Claudia Puig said it was "informative, provocative, frightening, compelling, funny, manipulative and, most of all, entertaining".

Audiences seem to love it. At a cinema on the Upper West Side of Manhattan on Thursday of opening week, there was not a single empty seat. At times it was hard to hear, because people were cheering and jeering. At the end, the audience broke into thunderous applause. People also wept, particularly when gruesome images of children injured in the Iraq war were shown, and when mothers of dead US soldiers took over the screen.

However, from the loudness of the applause, and the T-shirts people were wearing - "Impeach Bush!", for example - I got the feeling that many in the audience were Democrats, and they were naturally outraged by the film.

If Bush supporters go to see it they might be outraged, too. The film is a savage attack on Bush's handling of events after the September 11 terrorist attacks, especially his decision to go to war with Iraq.

There are a lot of cheap shots. Moore has found footage of Bush that makes him look positively simple-minded, and much of this would be funny if it weren't done with such malice.

Moore also makes fun of Bush

 

Go see the movie first before judging.

 

Not a chance in hell I'll see anythng made by that pig. And I'm not referring to him as a pig in regards to his weight, though I had to chuckle at Kyle's comment.

 

Hey Cait, nice to see ya. Want to elaborate on the pig comment?

 

"Go see the movie first before judging."

Amen.

I've seen and heard alot of ill bashing of Mikey Moore on these and other boards.

Why?

When the guy who made Batman and Robin needs to be beaten to death...Michael Moore is of little concern here people.

ok seriously, it's sad that some of the best comments people can make are fat jokes.

Michael Moore made a movie, like it, love it, hate it, loethe it. IT'S STILL A MOVIE! Sure its suppose to be a documentary....but in the end pull your head out arse and form your own thought on it...and that's even what Moore has said.

Do you think CNN gives you all the facts? that it's not tilted one way or another? Foxnews? ABC? any of them?

Heck no people it's america the brainwashing capitol of the world. take anything in the media with a HUGE chuck of salt.

We need people like Michael Moore like it or not, even if you don't agree with him...at at least he's out there do something....what have you done?

"Well behaved people rarely make history."

I'll be seeing the movie this week CAN'T WAIT!!


"Moore, in fact, loathes many of his fellow Americans. Of course, he never says so in America. But, in an interview with The Mirror in London recently, he described his fellow citizens as "possibly the dumbest people on the planet".

***Truth hurts but it's true it's true. we are the largest collection of well educated morons on this rock.***

 

"***Truth hurts but it's true it's true. we are the largest collection of well educated morons on this rock.***"


That may be your truth but it's not mine. And you'll be laughing out of the other side of your face when terrorists use that as an excuse to kill all of us. "They are too stupid to live. Even some of their own say so!"

But I guess there is a point there. I mean, I don't see many other countries celebrating a man who goes out and trashes their country and the people in it. I guess some sort of extreme stupidity must be involved there.

If Moore just kept to being about Bush and the media, I would have no problem. But too often he makes slurrs against his own kind(and yes it still is HIS OWN KIND) and to hell with that!

Stupid American? At least I'm smart enough to realize that Moore's documentary can't be totally trusted because he isn't the least bit objective, and his agenda clouds all the good points he makes. I'm also smart enough to not follow ANY extreme. Right OR Left.

 

allow me to quote, myself

please, this thread is for overall reviews of the movie





not of moore's character or talent.




thank you

 

I think it struck a nerve with a lot of people who saw it. For instance, Moore showed Iraq before we invaded and then after.

1.) Moore shows Iraqis as living a happy existence under Saddam. Of course, he neglects to mention the mass graves (still being uncovered), rape rooms, acid baths, human shredders and the general oppression that comes with living under a dictatorship.

2.) The shots of Iraq after invasion showed the destruction of administrative and military facilities. In other words, areas where the happy Iraqis in the previous shot would never be.

 

Some of Moore's opinions are crazy and wrong, but others are dead on. The Bush administration is such an easy target. It's their own fault.

The second liberal revolution has begun!

 

Stinky he's just trying to show that Children were allowed to fly kites under Saddam, why do you have to hate the children?

The ruined buildings were actually kite storage depots the US blew up to keep the children from flying kites. The US also planted kite eating trees in rumoured kite flying areas.

 

since most of the media is conservative.

Please tell me what you're watching.