So, what was Darth Sion's secret to immortality?

A Sith Lord in the times of the Old Republic, Darth Sion along with Darth Nihilus nearly brought low the entire Jedi Order. Granted, it was depleted heavily during the so called "Jedi Civil War," but the accomplishment still stands. Sion was a juggernaut, able to literally resurrect himself through sheer force of will, and was also apparently immortal. His fighting style was brutal and efficient. He was the most accomplished Jedi assassin of his era, able to dispatch even members of the Jedi Council with ease. Though the Jedi Exile broke him in body and spirit, it was ultimately Sion's own discion to let go of the life that was left to him. Had he not lost the will to live, he may well have lived up to his boast of being able to rise after being cut down a hundred times.

He's the Liquid Snake of the Star Wars universe, the bastich just won't die.

Do you think Sidious considered and discarded Sion's technique as too maschoistic? That to gain true immortality, one not only had to be able to live forever, but enjoy it as well? Through Sidious' technique, the dying was not a pleasent process, but that was tempered by years of pleasure at being the ruler of the universe.

On another note, I feel strangely about Sion. On one hand he's just a ruthless killer, but at the same time, he has a strange air of tragedy around him which comes out best at his death scene. He crawls back to Traya like a wounded pup, and seems completely bewildered by the Exile's ability to defeat him. His letting go of his life, and even the force which brought him so much pain, was a really amazing scene in my humble opinion. One of the best in KOTOR II.

 

It wasn't true immortality. He was actually dead, and in agonizing pain throughout his existence. Sith can't achieve immortality.

 

It was a good work-around though, just like Palpatine's clone method.

So possibly Sidious decided to work on a more 'pure' form of immortality than Sion?

 

Was he dead? I always thought of him like Maw, but taken to an extreme.

 

He wasn't immortal, just invulnerable. I think he would still be able to die of old age.

 

I've heard conflicting reports on the matter.

Guy says he's undead, another summary of KOTOR II said he was immortal, some say he was invicible in battle, but could still die of old age.

Quest! Charles! Quit sleeping! We need you to grace us with your Guru selves.

 

I have a few thoughts on the matter....

Essentially, his body was already broken beyond repair. The medic on the Harbinger didn't even know how he was still staying together. The Force kept his body functioning (similar to how Anakin tried to heal himself durin SOTE) and allowed him to live with agonizing pain.

Because of his current state THAT made him invulnerable/immortal while in battle. Sort of like the Knight in Monty Python. (I've hurt worse!) I don't think it was so much that your attacks didn't have an effect, just that the pain and injury were practically irrelevant due to his already broken state.

Invulnerability? To a degree....Immortality? I suppose that would depend on how long he can maintain this state. If he can do it forever then he lives forever. Otherwise, he's dead. it's all that's holding him together. Maybe it wouldn't be impossible to destroy him by conventional means. Just highly unlikely. The most likely path would be to erode his will, which is the path the exile chose.

I think Anakin resembles Sion when he is burned alive, before getting in the suit.

Would Anakin have carried on his life in that state? Would it have been superior to the lifesupport suit?

Could Sion not get a suit to ease up on some of the pain?

Sion should have been born within the YV. They would've loved the guy.

 

Here I thought his secret was superglue, snot, and peanut butter.

: shrug :

 

The comparision between Sion and Anakin at Mustafar is a very good one. You could also consider Anakins attempt to heal that dying knight in the Jabiim story. By constant use of the force, a Jedi can keep someone alive, altough in severe pain. This is of course frowned upon by the Jedi for many reasons.
Sion is just an extreme of that concept



/Charlii

 

He was alive, just heavily damaged. He endured through force of will.

The utter disgusting lack of background for the Darth boys means we don't have a flirting clue what savaged him. You could speculate until the cows launch over the moon, so I'm hedging he ran into the Bridgeburners.

 

Yeah, and it says in SOTE that Vader's record for breathing outside of his armour was two minutes (and he had to keep himself in a constant state of rage throughout). Sion had to do that all the time.

 

It wasn't so much that he had "died". i think parts of him were dead, his flesh obviously had been through the ringer worse then Palpy. I think he was under the assumption that he couldn't die, and he always managed through force of will to come back from the brink of death, even though his body was failing him.

If you fast forward to Palpy's clones, the force of will to manipulate them may fall into the same realm of force control, if not the same techniques. Personally, I think keeping a single rotting hulk together is more impressive then a tanks of wasteable, replaceable Palpy clones, but to each his own.

Nihilus was a freak I hope to learn more about. I don't link whatever he was with Sion's power. Other then Trayus, I think they had very little related between them.

 

Yeah, Nihilus was very different. His power was more like the Exile's.

 

Sion's power can be summarized I think this way...

The Cat is Both Dead and Alive:

The Sith on Korriban can successfully animate themselves and their corpses despite being spirits. However, they seem restricted in this regards. Sion is clearly not quite right anymore as he dies the moment that he gives up on his life. The implication is his hatred is all that's keeping him 'alive.' Telekinesis, Dark Side healing (which is immediate and we saw on Exar Kun), and the boosts from rage/pain are the factors that allow him to survive.

If I had to give a reason why the Chosen One has more difficulty than Sion I'd say that its most likely he treats himself alchemically inbetween his tasks. Furthermore, it seems quite likely that much of Sion's damage is self inflicted and he punishingly trained himself upwards to the level of healing he possesses.

 

Interesting to note, I don't think I've ever seen him use the Force in combat. Does this mean that the process of holding himself together is so demanding that any attempts to...say shoot lightning from his fingertips would result in him going to pieces (literally)?

 

Entirely possible though I suspect since he helped blind Traya that he has SOME control of the Dark Side, most of his power is probably devoted to his life.

 

When is it revealed that Sion was invoved in kriffing up her eyes? Is that something that requires you to get the old Schutta's influence? That would certainly explain why I didn't know about it.

 

It's from Traya actually. Sion and Nihilus blinding her from the Force.

 

One of the best reasons for making the Exile a female, I think, is that it really adds something to Sion's character, in that when he's struck down on Malachor at the end of the game, he reveals that he's sort of fallen in love with the Exile and the only reason he's trying to stop her is to protect her from Kreia. That part always makes me .

 

We've seen that Sith can keep their presence tied to a specific object or place so they can pop up as ghosts from time to time, so what's to say Sion didn't do it with his body and just take control of the corpse (like Obi-Wan did with Luke, or Ragnos with Tavion) as if it were a puppet?

 

Sion is kept alive simply by not wanting to die. He wants to do one thing: prove that he is better than anyone. The Exile, Traya, and Revan.

So when he gets chopped up, shot, stabbed, poked, prodded, sliced, diced, burned, hit, smashed, crushed, he just puts himself back together again.

Of course, all you have to do is aim for the head....

 

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