Spaarti and Kamino Clones

other then Spaarti growing faster are there any difference in skill and combat prowess?

 

Not that I know of-the Spaarti clones are described in TLC as being reminiscent of fighting stormtroopers, so I'd say they're as good.

 

It depends. The Cloning process really doesn't have very much effect on the skills of that person, that comes during the flash training and regular training and drilling that comes later. Is one type of cloning easier to train than the other? Probably the Kamino clones, who have more time to drill and train in actual practice, not flash training.

 

Kamino clones seem to be a bit more mentally stable than Spaarti clones.

 

But the figured out if you block out the force with ysalmari it helps them be more mentally stable.

 

With ysalamiri present, Spaarti clones are just as efficient as Kaminoan clones. Spaarti clones are faster to create and produce.

 

why are spaarti clones more stable with ysalamiri ? are they force sensitive?

 

So is it because of the Spaarti cloning process that Luke got the strange force sensation with them that he never got from original (Kaminoan) Stormtroopers?

 

Okay, first off, until Episode III, we can't say for sure that the Stormies of ANH are clones. It's looks more and more likely, but it's not definite.

Secondly, Luke is not a very skilled Force user in ANH, so he would be unlikely to have enough skill to notice.

Third, since he is around Stormtroopers all the time, when he did become skilled in the Force, he would not know any better. Regular humans "feel" one way, Stoprmtroopers might "feel" another way, and that's just his normal experience. However, if Spaarti clones "feel" different than Stormtrooper clones, then he would notice.


Spaarti clones are only unstable if grown too fast due to some Force issues. If they are grown more slowly, or in the absence of the Force, they are also stable. Since all the Spaarti clones from TTT were grown in the absence of the Force, that is the most reasonable explanation as to why they "feel" different to Luke. Spaarti clones grown more slowly may not "feel" different to Force sensitives as we have no information on that.

 

I'm sure I read in another thread which said that by ANH Stormtroopers were a mixture of clones and regular Humans so maybe he just never encountered any Kamino clones before in large numbers and thats why the Spaarti ones feel different.

 

Also, there's nothing to say that the Kamino clones didn't feel any different from the Spaari. Kenobi didn't mention anything, probably because he was used to it, and Luke wouldn't have know anything about the subject.

 

why are spaarti clones more stable with ysalamiri ? are they force sensitive?

Actually, if a Spartii is given at least a year to be grown to maturity they are just as stable as if one grew them within the the Force nulling sphere produced by a ysalamiri. Within a Force rich enviroment, the faster you grow a Spartii clone, the greater the chance that they will suffer from clone madness. At least a minimum of a year is required to grow stable Spartii clones within a Force rich enviroment. By removing the Force from the enviroment, it becomes possible to grow stable Spartii clones in a matter of days.

 

Clone madness in Spaarti clonesn was liked directly to the lenght of time the clone was grown in a Force rich environment.

If you somehow managed to acclerate the growth of a Kaminoan clone to less then one year, would it also be insane?

 

Okay, first off, until Episode III, we can't say for sure that the Stormies of ANH are clones. It's looks more and more likely, but it's not definite

in the dvd commentary, GL was saying something about the storm troopers bumping their heads and becuase jango had the same problem, he kinda passed it on to them(meaning the clones)...

jango + headbanging problem ==> clones = stormtroopers + headbanging problem

 

Not all stormtroopers are clones.

 

how so? always thought that stormtroopers were elite cannon fodder aka clones... who would want that job?

 

Not all stormtroopers are clones.

Well, let's get this straight.

The intention is from Lucas and the movies, that, yes stormtroopers are clones.

The EU had made some stormtroopers that aren't clones, so it says, "Some aren't clones".

Capice?

 

Interesting debate here. I have more to add. I believe that the reason the Spaarti clones in DFR and TLC feel differently in the Force to Luke than Kaminoan clones that he encountered during the CT is because they gain all their memories and training through flash learning programs rather than a combination of that and training classes and drills like the PT and CT clones. This would make the Thrawn trilogy clones more identical to each other mentally than the PT and CT clones. The CW lit has gone out of it's way to stress that each clone is a little different due to different experiences in training and since then. The clones Luke faced in DFR never had any differences. Luke felt the buzz of many identical minds, thinking the same thing at the same time.

 

All the clone things in SW is irritating. It makes sense that clones are all the same and basically blank slates.

It's totally stupd how in the EU, the clone has the same memories and stuff as the person. It cannot happen. If you were cloned, they would be your identical physically, but not mentally. A clone can't ever be you. You are unique, each person is unique. The only reason clones act the same is because they were taught, trained, and programmed int he exact same way.

The whole Luke being cloned, and this and that person being cloned, and being an equal, unrecognizable from the real person, is imossible.

 

It's not impossible, just highly improbable unless you can extricate a persons memories and thought processes and "download" them into a clone body. That is the stuff of scince fiction, but it seems likely that as we learn more about how we think and store our memories that we come closer to being able to copy them like we copy files on computer from one disc to another so as to have backup copies.

 

If you somehow managed to acclerate the growth of a Kaminoan clone to less then one year, would it also be insane?

I don't think it would matter. Kamino clones are trained in classes, not through flash memory. Thus, if a Kamino clone was grown in one year, it would only have about 9 months or so to train and go to school.

It's totally stupd how in the EU, the clone has the same memories and stuff as the person. It cannot happen. If you were cloned, they would be your identical physically, but not mentally. A clone can't ever be you. You are unique, each person is unique. The only reason clones act the same is because they were taught, trained, and programmed int he exact same way.

In TTT, the clones have the same memories not because of the idential genetics, but because the memories of the original subject are copied and then flashed into the brains of the clones while they are growing.

The whole Luke being cloned, and this and that person being cloned, and being an equal, unrecognizable from the real person, is imossible.

So is cloning a guy like Jango Fett, but making the clones age twice as fast and altering their DNA to be more obedient and docile. That is why it is called science fiction.

 

It's not the flash learning process that induces clone madness, it's how quickly they are grown in a Force-rich enviroment. So it could be possible for Kamino clones to suffer from clone madness if grown under a year even with regular training.

 

What does the force havce to do with clones? No one can capture the force. That's crazy. Must be a Zahn thing.

 

It's not the flash learning process that induces clone madness, it's how quickly they are grown in a Force-rich enviroment. So it could be possible for Kamino clones to suffer from clone madness if grown under a year even with regular training.

My point was that it does not matter if they sane or insane - a one year Kamino clone would not know anything since they don't have flash memories. They'd basically be a bunch of clumsy morons given that they would be learning while growing. Normal Kamino clones have about 8 years of intense physical and academic education.

 

Not having any form of education, or even having one, does not mean one can not be insane. Insanity is not due to having aquired knowledge, a moron has just as much of a chance as an educated person of going insane.