Star Trek vs Star Wars

Ok, I looked in threads directory and didn't see an ST vs SW debate so I though I'd star one. If this topic already exists, feel free to redirect.

Who do you think is more generally advanced, Starfleet or the Empire?

Would the Borg be capable of manipulating the Force if they assimilated a Jedi?

COULD they assimilate a Jedi?

Who has the better fleet?

Who has better officers?

Could Worf win in single combat against Chewy?

Species 8472 vs the Vong?

BTW lets stay away from bringing the Trek superbeings like V'ger or Q into the debate. They're unique to Star Trek and could easily handle anything the Empire could throw at them.

 

sidious or yoda could waste your "q"

 

Actually a battle between Q and Yoda would last about 5 seconds since Q would simply sigh and blink Yoda out of existence which is way including Q in the discussion is pointless since he's so powerful that he's basically a god.

 

yeah? well rabid balding ewok thinks that magneto could beat q. and guess what, i think he'd be right

 

Q has never dealt with a being capable of using the Force. So I have to agree with Axle on this.

As far as the questions.

Worf would be decimated by Chewie.
The Empire has the better fleet.
The Empire is more advanced.
Best officers would depend on how you look at the officers.

 

I disagree about the outcome of a Q/Yoda battle as Q has complete control over the laws of physics and can manipulate time at will. As for the questions, I agree with the first three and I think that the Empire has the better officers because neurotic wierdos like Barclay would never be allowed to enlist in the Imperial Starfleet.

 

Seeing as the Empire is the legitimate government of the GFFA, The Federation would team up with them against the rebels (not knowing the Empire's evil), so really it's more like Empire+Federation vs Everyone Else.

 

Why would the Empire form an alliance with Starfleet? That doesn't make any sense since the Empire has FAR more powerful ships and weapons to deploy against the Rebels and in any case once the Federation saw the corrupt nature of the Empire they wouls switch sides and fight with the Rebels.

 

Please, the Jedi alone would kill whatever the Trekkies could throw their way.

Example, 500 klingons verus Obi Wan Kenobi, it would be very unfair for the klingons.

 

^Agreed. One Jedi vs a big mob of Klingons isn't a contest. My credits are on the one Jedi. Same goes for a regiment of clones vs a regiment of Jem H'dar. The Jem H'dar would actually be effective until they dropped thier guns and started one of their idiotic charges armed only with knives then the clones would take them apart.

 

you couldn't get too many star ships from star treck too far against a fleet of fighters. they don't even have any fighters, just huge bulk cruisers. those would'nt stand up too long against a squad of x-wings. or even a squad of a-wings.

 

Actually a lone X-wing would be capable of taking out the Enterprise shields.

 

^ Good, now lets get to work doing that.

 

Who is more advanced, Starfleet or the Empire, I would say the Empire. A Single Imperial Class Star Destroyer could wipe out a fleet of Starships using only one of it's many Ion cannons, once the ships are disabled, send in the fighters or finish them off with the turbo lasers. Empire wins!

Would the Borg be able to manipulate the Force if they assimulated a Jedi, could they assimulate a Jedi? Yes, to the assimulate a Jedi. Jedi are not "God like beings", they are only special because they are more in tune to connect with the Force then someone else. Without training, they probably wouldn't be able to do much with the Force. Luke had to learn how to use it, so yes Jedi could be assimulated. As for the Borg using the Force, I'd have to say no. Just because they assimultaed a Jedi and have their knowledge of the Force, again without training, it would be useless.

Who has the better fleet and the better Officers? Empire has better fleet, see my first paragraph. Officers? Well it seems to me that both sides have some pretty weak Officers. Besides, it all comes down to regular troops, they are the ones who work for a living!

Worf vrs Chewie? Chewie is just too strong. Worf would give him a fight, but unless Chewie was caught off gaurd, I'd say Chewie in hand to hand combat.

Obi-Wan vrs 500 Klingon's?! Obi-Wan is pretty good at fighting, but the numbers are against him there! Again, Jedi can die just like everyone else. Just ask the ones that didn't make it off Geonosis!

I really hated "Q" on ST. Giving absolute power to anything is just weak storytelling. Why didn't "Q"
just blink himself out of existence. Lame character, but "Q" could win against Sidious and Yoda. How do you beat something that knows your actions before you do? How could Sidious shoot a lightening bolt if "Q" went back and made him a cook on a space freighter instead of a SITH?

 

Obi-Wan vrs 500 Klingon's?!

Thats right! Kenobi just cuts thro those spears, blades or whatever they use and kills them in groups. Heck, he doesnt have to use his blade for most of it. Let his hand do the talking.

 

picard vs tarkin ????

 

realistically?

You can't really compare these two universes... but it is fun to try...


I believe 100% that Picard would whoop up on Tarkin if they had the same technology and weaponry... however... Tarkins ship was the DS... which is a tad bit more powerful than the enterprise..

Also 1 Jedi could not stand against 500 klingons... Jedis are not omnipitent...

And.... When Borg assimilates.. they gain the knowledge and training of the assimilated beings... I believe they would be able to manipulate the force... .. however.. the midichlorians would put a stop to it....

 

Really? You actually think that the Borg would be able to access the Force. Personally I don't see how that's possible. I think they would have knowledge of it that they know it exists but to actually use it, I think that's a stretch.

 

My opinion is: STAR WARS>Star Trek. In any case.

 

the borg would not only know about the force and how to use it but i think they would give the sith a run for there money


all none Believers bring it on......

 

Cloned_Sid, you were close but its more like:

Star Wars>>>>>>>>>>>>>Star Trek.



Think about it, those funny looking guys with the scared heads use metal weapons from what Ive seen, so Kenobi will have little trouble picking them apart.

25 ARC troopers vs 700 klingons
is still really unfair for the scar heads.

 

the borg would not only know about the force and how to use it but i think they would give the sith a run for there money


all none Believers bring it on......

What do you base that on? I'm sure the Borg would love to assimilate a Sith if they could, but it would be rather hard for them to do so when Darth Vader is Force Choking them before the Borg can get anywhere near him and don't forget that Force users, both light and dark, are BORN not made.

 

Who do you think is more generally advanced, Starfleet or the Empire?

The Empire certianly has bigger ships but both are capable of faster than light travel. They both utilize energy weapons, various types, quite well. The Federation does have that matter to energy to matter transporter device. I'd say the Federation is more advance, techwise, than the Empire. Even the DS or DSII is just huger version of power plant and turbo lasers in Star Destroyers.

Would the Borg be capable of manipulating the Force if they assimilated a Jedi?

No, I bet the Borg nanoprobes would kill the midi's. Besides the Federations is full of all kind of Jedi like beings, using "magic powers" all over the Federation. Surely the Borg have assimilated some of them. We never saw them use any of those powers though. I bet their mechanical nature and dependance a hive mind would block any ability to use the Force.

COULD they assimilate a Jedi?

Sure, why not? Nanoprobes would work the same on a Star Wars Human, Wookie, Twilek, or Rodian tissue material just like on a Klingon, Romulan, Tellerite, or Vulcan. Once the nanoprobes are working it's nothing to cut off limbs and add cyber attachements. Even Dr Crusher stated it was nothing but micro surgery to remove the implants. I don't think we'd get a Jedi Borg out of it thought.

Who has the better fleet?

The Empire hands down. Bigger, more diverse and capable of delivering much more firepower to any given place. Not to mention TIE after TIE fighter wings. Just think of what a SSD could do if it's resources were geared towards exploration?

Who has better officers?

Starfleet I'd wager. They are allowed and encouraged to think creatively. This isn't always wanted or encouraged in a dictatorship like the Empire. Than again the Empire does churn out some good officers, Grand Admiral Thrawn, Han Solo, General Madine,,,

Could Worf win in single combat against Chewy?

No absolutly not. Worf would try some goofy Klingon martial arts and Chewie would just rip his throat out. Remember, wookies have nasty retractible claws. If it came down to phaser vs bowcaster Chewie would still win. He's a better shot. Wookies are also arboreal, which means the can climb. Chewie could use that to his advantage. Klingons don't climb any better than your average person, even will trained the wouldn't climb better than a Wookie.

Species 8472 vs the Vong?

Who cares? Both are horrible scifi creations gone bad.

Overall the Imps would wipe out any force Starfleet could send. All classes of Fed ships would be dwarfed in size by a ISD. Not to mention out gunned, out armoured, and just plain out fought. After wave upon wave of TIE fighter was finished blasting the Fed's shields to nothingness, one or two well place turbo lasers and thats that for the Fed ship.Actually the ISD wouldn't even be necessary other than to bring the TIEs. The Fed ships don't have armour plating and several TIE's strafing the ship would wipe it out.
Even if the Feds were able to lower the shields on an ISD long enought to beam over redshirts, they don't wear armour and tend to set phasers for stun. Stormtroopers are armoured and shoot to kill. Since it's redshirts involved and not a main character, the Stormies would be dead on with thier aim.

Even if the captian of Galaxy class starship rammed it into a SSD, it wouldn't cause enough structural damage to destroy the whole ship, provided it didn't hit the bridge of course.

 

i have to agree with fj up there. obi-wan would waste all of those klingons. i heard nasa searched uranus for intelligent life, but only came up with a bunch of klingons.

 

The Empire certianly has bigger ships but both are capable of faster than light travel. They both utilize energy weapons, various types, quite well. The Federation does have that matter to energy to matter transporter device. I'd say the Federation is more advance, techwise, than the Empire. Even the DS or DSII is just huger version of power plant and turbo lasers in Star Destroyers

Ok, I will concede Star Trek's transpoter technology. It is a fairly good way of getting from place to place quickly. However, I must disagree with the idea that the Federation has better tech than the Empire or even the Rebellion. The Science of Star Wars by Jeanne Cavelos puts forwar several ideas as to how to Star Wars hyperdrive technology works, all of which require vast amounts of energy. These include creating distortions in the fabric of space-time, traveling through other dimensions, and artifical wormholes. To put it in perspective how much energy SW spacecraft use, here's an exerpt from TSOSW:

The ability to warp space could also be used as a defensive mechanism to deflect enemy laser fire. The Falcon has deflector shields, as do Star Destroyers. How might they work? As we know a mass creates a depression in space-time that draws other masses to it. Since mass and energy are different forms of the same thing, a depression in space-time can also draw a beam of energy toward it. For example when light from a star passes near the sun, the sun's gravitational field will attract the, slightly bending its course.This creates to opposite effect from what we what to happen. The Falcon'c mass will actually slightly attract Imperial laser fire towards it. Not a good thing.The sun bends light by only a fraction of a degree, so the effect from Han's ship will be infintesimal. What we want to do is creat the opposite effect, and much more strongly.

The opposite of an attractive depression is a repulsive bulge. If Han can warp space, he can create this anti-grav bulge. As the Star Destroyers fire on the Falcon, Han could use exotic matter to create a space time bulge, so the laser beam would simply bend away. If you consider, however, the mass of the sun bends passing light rays by only a tiny fraction of a degree, the energy necessary to bend a laser beam enough to make it miss the ship would be huge-perhaps equivalent to 100,000 times the mass of the sun

In other words Han has near infinet power at his control.

And don't forget that trans-galactic travel in Star Wars occurs on a timeframe of hours to weeks where in Star Trek its is years to decades.