Lit Star Wars: Underworld - Better Off Dead?

I'm sure there's an old thread somewhere but it's beyond even the dark side of the Force to locate it....i.e. Google (Still, if it gets revived from the depths, merge can be done.)

Just saw the news below and, having read it, I now can't help but think SW, both Legends and new stuff is better off without it.

No, no joke:

http://spinoff.comicbookresources.c...ave-featured-a-sympathetic-emperor-palpatine/

This reads as a total horror. It gets worse the more you look at it. Had it been made, it would have likely become canon too.

 

Some would say you can't test the concept until you witness its execution, but yeah.

 

Which Palpatine is Barlog talking about: the weak old man who was assaulted by Mace Windu or the Dark Lord of the Sith who engineered the Clone Wars?

 

True Fin but this one reads really, really badly - way, way uphill odds on it ever succeeding.

I'll let someone else post the inevitable homage quip...

EDIT: DL - that's the true horror - it refers to both of them!

 

For years I was hoping and praying for the long promised "Underworld" tv show. Live action, mature SW set during the dark times era. What's not to like?

Well, as it turns out, turning one of the most iconic fictional villains ever into a heartbroken emo is what's not to like. I still hope that we'll get a live action SW show, but not "Underworld". Palpatine is evil because he is evil, not because his love life sucked.

 

I don't feel like Barlog can be trusted. Also remember that Sheev was perceived as a figurehead controlled by "bootlickers" so he could have said that he was a recluse becaue he was heartbroken when he was really meditating in the Sith shrine beneath the Imperial Palace.

 

I'm positive that guy's quote doesn't mean what everyone is for some reason making it out to. I don't think Sheev had his heart broken. He says a woman betrayed him in a way that guts him - it seems more likely the me that the stone cold gangster lady puts a dent in his sense of omnipotence/invincibility by sabotaging something, or exposing something to him about his power.

 

Well, in that case, aside from DL's creative version, the other way to read it would be?

I'm morbidly curious.

 

I don't doubt that Underworld had a lot of Palpatine background crazyness. I think the evidence has been that it did. (The name Sheev was developed in connection with this show) But I'm not going to judge the merits of the show's story on a third party interpretation of material speaking off the cuff. We can judge the merits of the idea presented in the quote, sure, but not what actually was happening in the show. We should know this by now when it comes to this stuff, but eh.

 

Sounds like Lucas may have attempted to give Palpatine a somewhat similar fall to Anakin's.

 

Sorry, I edited above to explain. I'd like to resist the temptation to pigeonhole a woman character.

 

Hmmm..... Nah.

For another character, yeah, that could perhaps work but, to me, not for Sidious.

To me the basis of Sidious is he can, if inclined, talk you into supporting him but, he also really doesn't care what you think and has no need for sympathy, he'll do what he does, get what he wants, by means fair or foul.

 

Are you talking about my suggestion? I don't think he needs sympathy, but I think if there's a lot of buildup about some plan or project that he has utter faith in, the blow to his own sense of power may well have been affecting.

 

Hmm, OK, that sounds more plausible - how does Sidious deal with a setback?

Although, wouldn't the Death Star going boom be the example of that?

If so, we have the answer already - not well!

 

Well, this just doesn't sound right, and is probably at least a partial explanation for the name Underworld.

 

Ok I got this.

So like the gangsta is Talzin, right? And like, Palps just got rid of Plagueis, and he's raising Maul as his son and all, like the son he always wanted. And then Talzin is like, being all Rita Repulsa and sending her goons after him all the time to ruin everything. It's really sad, like, enough to make the father of God of War cry, which is like trying to get Zeus to cry I guess. (BTW guys did you know Corey Burton played Zeus in GoW? Do you know who else he played? SAN HILL. THAT'S RIGHT. BANG. ZEUS = SAN HILL.)

But yeah like Talzin can't die, so when Palpatine's all "The power to cheat death is a power only one has achieved" he's talking about Talzin obvs, because DP is totally unquestionably six feet under. Even the combined might of Jar Jar and Mace couldn't defeat Talzin.

 

If anyone wants to muse more on the Underworld that could have been, its Wook article is very comprehensive, thanks to the efforts of AdamwanKenobi, one of the site's good eggs. Give it a read.

 

thejeditraitor suggested that the woman Barlog is referring to is Sheev's mother. The Plagueis novel focused on Sheev's father but never on his mother.

 

They had some great writers working on it, I would have wanted to see what happened. This quote isn't exactly the most inspiring but there's a hellova lot of ways to take it.

 

Wasn't she killed in the son of dathomir

 

That sounds bad. Seriously this is a guy who gets off on people hating him and they are trying to make him sympathetic!

 

Sort of. It's implied that she has no more energy to assume a physical form. She could be out there somewhere as a cloud of green mist though.

 

And here I was assuming Shmi was mind wiped and left a slave on Tatooine by Sheev so he could be accepted as an apprentice by DP without knowing Shmi was pregnant with his son...

Sympathetic... like ****!