Starkiller: Just How Powerful Was He?

How powerful was Starkiller supposed to be? What does everyone think?

 

He's on the same level as Kyle Katarn. Not in the league of Palpatine or Luke, but in the medium he is portrayed (i.e Games) he is unstoppable.

 

My take on it was he was incredibly powerful, but not as powerful as Palpatine or Vader. I always thought he simply had the advantage of being able to "unleash" the power he had more easily than the others.

 

I don't see why he couldn't become as powerful as Palpatine or Luke. He never did obviously, and I think Palpatine would have easily defeated him if he wasn't trying to turn him, but I think he was potentially really powerful. He was the child of two Jedi, which is something of a rarity.

I also don't think there's any actual "limit" on how powerful someone can become, and that genetic predisposition makes it come more easily to you. Based upon non-FSes learning to use the Force like Car'das from the Aing-Tii and those trained by the Matukai, I think anyone could become trained to use the Force, just those without natural sensitivity would take a very long time using the Jedi training methods, which is why they have certain requirements in regard to midichlorian count and age.

Based upon that, I think Galen was easily capable of becoming one of those "upper tier" Force users.

 

Starkiller is a top level contender with high aptitude for learning quickly.

 

Having read the TFU novel- the only CANON way to gauge Marek's strength- Marek's below Palpatine, considering that the "Palpatine was playing possum" angle is made especially explicit in the novel, and Galen essentially has to kamikazee himself to do anything to the Emperor.

And the Star Destroyer, according to the novel was already on its way down. All Marek did was nudge its path of descent an infintessimal amount towards where he wanted it to go, and even THAT much pretty much made him black out.

He's canonically NOT powerful enough to "rip down" a Star Destroyer against the pull of its engines.

And finally having managed to read The Unifying Force... Maelstrom-Of-The-Force Luke would just utterly monkey-stomp Galen in a one-sided smackdown for the ages. There's just no contest.

Making it current-Luke, adding in his ability to go like he did against UnuThul and root himself in the heart of the Force, and do all the crazy things he's done in Invasion... Galen just has no chance against Luke. From the novel, his showings are lower than Luke's and lower than the Emperor's.

Heck, in Backlash Luke tossed a Rancor. Last I checked, Galen's vaunted TK skills weren't up to stopping a rancor charging straight at him, picking it up, and hurling it straight backwards... considering it never happened once in the game OR, IIRC, the novel. Correct me if I'm wrong here.

I'd also argue that Galen is much closer to Vader than you'd think, but that's a topic for another time... and is probably as much a result of the Vader fanboy in me as it is in-game evidence and the fact that every time the developers of both games open their mouths on the subject of Vader, they disappoint me on how they portray him.

And before you point out Galen Marek's Star Destroyer feat, I'll throw out Vader rattling a Coruscant building "down to its foundations" with an UNINTENTIONAL reflex action of surprise when contronted by Captain Typho seeking to avenge Padme in the Coruscant Nights books. Given those things can be KILOMETERS tall, I'd argue it's a good possibility it might have massed as much as the ISD Galen Marek INTENTIONALLY moved.

Only, the term "rattling" implies much more rapid movement, and a lot more of it, than the tiny, incremental nudge Galen gave the falling ISD as described in the TFU novel. And again, Galen almost passed out using that much power, whereas Vader pulled his Coruscant-skyscraper-rattling feat so easily it was a reflex. Literally, it's described as his surprise manifesting in the Force, so the building-rattling is something Vader did without conscious input.

So, which is more impressive- incrementally nudging an object intentionally, or being so powerful that your surprise can cause a similarly-sized object to move much more violently without even THINKING about it?

Food for thought, you rabid Galen Marek fanboys.

 

His Midichlorian level is.....OVER 9000!!!!!!!!!

 

WAS? I'm kind of upset that they are making another one, with Star Killer anyway. I don't know, the way he uses the force is kind of upsetting, seeing how when Luke used the Force's Raw power he got all old and wrinkly for a bit from my understanding. Even though I will probably buy TFU2 I'm kind of dreading its release.

Sorry, not really the place for that.

I would say he is up there though, I would say Kyp's level in JAT with Kun's help considering he brought down a star destroyer. He may have been more powerful than the Emperor if he wouldn't have hesitated. Also Vader sensed him in the force as a child and Vader new he was more powerful even then. I'm curious on when Vader decided that he would not use him to kill the emperor and do it with someone else.

 

Luke and Jacen worked on using immense displays of the Force in-between The Joiner King and The Unseen King, and worked out a way to do it without becoming physically depleted, IIRC.

 

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No, according to the novel he pulls it down. It begins to swoop down to strafe him, still under its own engine power, and he pulls it into the ground.

I'm emphatically not getting into the power argument by pointing this out, I should note, just clarifying what seems to be a fairly common misreading. In fact, the novel pretty much emphasizes that this isn't a "power" issue, but about good application of the Force (the "size matters not" thing).

 

I don't know what to think of Starkiller's power. In TFU, he defeats Vader and Palpatine (though Palpy, of course, could have thrown the fight). But even though he clearly outpowers at least Vader, he is still way below him according to The Force Unleashed Campaign Guide, IIRC. Perhaps he just had motivation Vader lacked - doing what's right oftest wins in the end, after all. At least in Star Wars.

 

He used up all his Force points, clearly.

To be honest, I'm quite happy to chalk it up to a combination of overconfidence on Vader's part -- which led to Rhett being able to damage his life support apparatus, which in turn led to Vader being at a severe disadvantage -- as well as Rhett having something of a "Ganner moment".

9 times out of 10, Vader would have layeth the smack down... but the Force was with Rhett and the abilities of Darth Vader are insignificant next to the power of the plot.

 

Yep..

 

The stats for Starkiller are from before the game starts; with all the experience he notches up throughout the game he?s probably level 18/19 before the final encounter. Which with his attributes and the skills he likely picks up make him as powerful as he looked.

Starkiller is meant to be a dark version of Luke + Starkiller is trained in the darkside from infancy, not from his late teens.

 

We already know this, or most of us do anyways.

 

Psst. RPG levels aren't canon. Unless you're seriously suggesting that someone can become nearly as skilled as Yoda over a few months.

 

On the Death Star, Starkiller was on a suicide mission, and he knew it. That counts for a lot. When you are certain you are going to die, when that worry is laid to rest, you can accomplish more than you thought you were capable of.

It was, as some have said, his "Ganner moment".

That said, he was still pretty damn powerful all on his own. Certainly among the best, although I wouldn't call him the MOST powerful.

 

Just stating fact.
The wotc stats are generally good guidelines.
How old was Galen at the point of his death (he looks well into his twenties)? if we take what has been said about Galen at face value, hes had as much training and is as strong as Luke was during the Vong war.
Yoda was very strong, but in the recent head to head book it stated that Vader would kill him,Galen beat Vader, so Marek is capable of beating Yoda.
Even the advert for game stated ?take your destiny as the most powerful jedi ever?
As i said i?m just stating the facts, everything written about Marek points to him being supremely powerful.

 

Well Anakin was put into the suit in 19 BBY. So, we know this is sometime after that since Vader discovers Marek on Kashyyyk in the suit at the beginning of TFU I.

We also know that TFU I took place about a year and a half before ANH. The bulleted list mentions it on this very website. Wookiepedia has this at about 2 BBY on Galen Marek's page.

This shows that Marek is 17 YEARS OLD at the MOST at the time of TFU I. At this age Luke was still picking up power converters at Tosche Station.

 

It HAS been a while since I read the book, so I'll admit time may have fogged my memory of how that played out.... I'll go check it out when I take the books I already have checked out back to the library later this week, and I'll post the relevant sections here.

I think you may be right- time and my own pro-Vader bias are probably to blame here in coloring my perceptions on that section...

Anyone who says Galen is as strong as NJO-era Luke has obviously never read The Unifying Force or Invasion...

Honestly, I've read the novel, played the game, and haven't seen Galen do a thing that implies he's at NJO Luke's par. There's the maelstrom-of-the-Force moment, there's Luke beating Shimrra, then there was even Luke leaping out of an airspeeder at high altitude into heavy fire coming from the ground, dodging the fire coming from ground-bound Vong warriors completely unscathed, then letting off a massive TK burst that took out several dozen Vong at once, before he landed gently on his feet in the middle of a pile of KOed Vong.

The control required for these instances are just far beyond Galen's level.

I can agree with this. I'd put Galen as one of the greatest- I'd even be comfortable admitting he'd be an equal to Vader, since that's still implying Starkiller's Top Five Of All Time material.

 

I'm sorry, but I do not buy most of this. My feelings are if you don't intend for it to have occurred, happned, or accomplished, then why do it, print it, or show it? Whether its the video game, the novel or the comic book, Starkiller can do some amazing things. Whether he really can down a star destroyer or not is for interpretation but acording to the above listed he can and did, in the comic book he aso used the force to power up the star ship.

Also Towards the end, he basically free fell in the vacum of open space to the ground of the death star. If you read the AOTC novel, their is no force reprotire that can allow a jedi to do that, thats when Obi-Wan was falling and thought he was going to die due to lack of ability to control his free fall. Yet in the game, novel, comic book StarKiller free fell and basically navigated through all those beams.

Now if we go by the EU, well, yeah this is normal, since we have seen even more acrane abilites. But if the FU is considered a part of canon like the movies, then .........

I have a prolem with all those WOTC stats as well as Palpatine is the best and Vader is the strongest kinds stuff beucase in reality, the only thing that Palpatine did was hide in plain site of the jedi. In physcial combat he almost lost to Mace. The stupid philosphy chosen one their trying to take over, and Anakin cuts Mace 's hand and then Palpatine shoots him with lightning is crap. Just like when he fought Yoda, towards the end when Yoda stood toe to toe with Palpatine and had the force ligtning redirected back where both where knocked down was also, then Yoda got a vision that he couldn't win was crap. The bottom line, physcial combat, Palpatine was not that good. Vader can;t shoot lightning is stuck with amor and a respirator and his force powers are minimal. He can manipulate items and the sort but he can't live without the armor...according to the movies.

So if Starkiller is as canon as Luke and Vader and Palpatine as in the movies then he would be pwerful and in the upper tier catagory.

 

If we go EU then Galen is just one of many that accomplish tremendous "God " like things. Just read Darth Bane's three books and you get a sense of some awesome feats with the force. Palpatine would then be credited with the ultimate force power, the devastaing force storm of Dark Empire that was used to transport Luke to the dungeon ship to the half davastaion of the New Republic fleet

 

I don't like the idea of Star Wars having power levels, so I prefer to simply think in terms of natural aptitude, which isn't a ceiling but rather the floor, or even the rate of progress through training. Luke picked up a lot in a short time, as did Anakin with his abbreviated training. The latter's dreams of joining the High Council weren't a flight of fancy; in thirteen years time he became skilled enough in the Force to be comparable to those that trained for many times those years.

It would seem that Marek achieved similar prowess over a slightly longer training period, seeing as how he killed a former High Council member and defeated a Sith Lord.

 

Midi-count = aptitude/ability/connection to the force, but isn't always fluid since people can get stronger or weaker depending on use or lack of, intent, lack of interest, emotional state, karma, luck, etc..

It can also give a good measurement of strength in the force or power level, but if you powerful and have crap for skills or no common sense, you can still be taken down.

The Force= infinite, as long as there is life in the universe
Anakin,Luke/Leia 20,000+ midis per cell(m.p.c.'s for short)

Yoda, Mace, Sidious, and maybe Dooku, Maul, and Jerec(staying in the era)

Jaina, Kyp, Saba, Kyle, Kam, Jaden Korr, Ben


Powerful force users, unaffliiated with Jedi or Sith
Kar Vastor, and his Akk guard
Dathomir Witches
Aing-Tii

decently powerful, when written right.. Nick Rostu


everyone else