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Students in Detention made to do janitorial work: Yea or Nay?

Discussion in 'Archive: Your Jedi Council Community' started by Aytee-Aytee, Jun 15, 2010.

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  1. Aytee-Aytee

    Aytee-Aytee Jedi Master star 5

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    Some teachers in the Bronx are taking heat because they assigned custodial work to a group of kids in detention. The kids didnt' like having to clean up the place and raised a fuss about it.

    The local news asked a student what he thought about it...and the little scholar responded with:
    "Like that's not cool, like making kids clean toilets like that's not how that should go."

    Well, kid, judging by your horrible grammar, you're not exactly going to be a rocket scientist or anything, so my advice for you is to get used to taking out trash and scrubbing porcelain.
     
  2. hudzu

    hudzu Force Ghost star 6

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    are they getting paid?
     
  3. Aytee-Aytee

    Aytee-Aytee Jedi Master star 5

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    Why would they? It's detention, also known as punishment.
     
  4. hudzu

    hudzu Force Ghost star 6

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    then no, because that's involuntary work in hazardous conditions.
     
  5. Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon

    Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon Jedi Knight star 6

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    My only concern would be if this was putting adult janitors out of work. Otherwise, there's nothing wrong with a little menial labor to punish misbehavior.
     
  6. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    If this were standard practice, The Breakfast Club would have been a lot shorter. Therefore I support it.


    And in my experience, teachers give detention for a wide variety of offenses. Once I received after-school detention in junior high for not having completed a homework assignment. Most states (except crazies like Arizona) don't even compel prisoners to do labor for no pay.
     
  7. Jozy_Oguchi

    Jozy_Oguchi Jedi Youngling star 3

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    no.
     
  8. Jabba-wocky

    Jabba-wocky Chosen One star 10

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    As a general rule, no. In some limited instances, I think it can be thoughtful, appropriate. For instance, if a student is being punished for some offense that directly and more or less solely tied to the cleanliness/appearance of the facilities (eg dumping a 2 liter beverage out onto the floor) then it may be a thoughtful and appropriate punishment. By no means, though, should it be either regular, or used repeatedly.
     
  9. Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon

    Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon Jedi Knight star 6

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    I mean, making it so that detention = latrine duty is taking it too far, but having gone to high school where detention meant menial assignments such as stacking chairs, polishing water fountains, and mopping hallways, I don't really see what the problem is.

    Granted, I never got detention, but I did the same work as work-study. And I think it's good to make detention more of a deterrent than a lightly enforced study hall can be.
     
  10. Ramza

    Ramza Administrator Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Nay. Detention is at its most horrifyingly effective when you have to sit around doing nothing. Not even sleeping.
     
  11. DarthBreezy

    DarthBreezy Chosen One star 6

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    Exactly - though we did make a game of seeing how high we could stack 'em!
     
  12. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Students who misbehave should be removed from school and placed into child labour facilities where learning is further disincentivized, and their subsequent poverty creates a self-perpetuating cycle of intellectual and financial hardship for their progeny.



    Or, you know, not.
     
  13. Rox

    Rox Administrator Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I'd say no unless the person is cleaning graffiti or something they did.
     
  14. Grimby

    Grimby Technical Consultant & Former Head Admin star 7 Staff Member Administrator

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    I just have to LOL at the fact that in today's world the thought of students cleaning bathrooms as a punishment could be looked down upon because it's "involuntary work in hazardous conditions".

    20 years from now, the only thing school teachers will be allowed to do is kiss a student's butt and tell them how smart they are even if they're a complete moron and have no possibility of passing.

    We don't want to be subjecting kids to the harshness of reality, now do we?
     
  15. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    EVERYTHING IS GOING TO HELL
     
  16. Jabba-wocky

    Jabba-wocky Chosen One star 10

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    I just lol at the though that in today's science classes, children can't roll liquid mercury around in their bare hands as it seeps through their skin and poisons them.

    Because everything in the past is automatically better, and any attempt to change makes everyone into effeminate something somethings that will end up DESTROYING AMERICA.
     
  17. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    If we can't force teenagers to do physical labor, they'll turn into emos and homosexuals.



    Back in my day, our recollections weren't clouded by unwarranted nostalgia!
     
  18. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    I don't know guys. If a child misbehaves, I think it's pretty fair to put a black mark on his family and disgrace his bloodline for all eternity.
     
  19. Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon

    Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon Jedi Knight star 6

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    How old are these kids?

    I could see objections to elementary students cleaning toilets, but middle school and up should be fair game.
     
  20. Jabba-wocky

    Jabba-wocky Chosen One star 10

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    And that's just the beginning. Since everyone knows that a trend, once it starts, will always continue, usually in the most absurd and disjointed fashion possible, pretty soon they'll end up having sex with animals!
     
  21. Lord Vivec

    Lord Vivec Chosen One star 10

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    A-->B-->C

    MAKES PERFECT SENSE
     
  22. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    Whatever happened to soldiers wearing bright colors into combat? Camouflage is for pansies. We're coddling fighting men too much today.
     
  23. Grimby

    Grimby Technical Consultant & Former Head Admin star 7 Staff Member Administrator

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    Because this issue is all about people's children and the fact that we can't possibly make them do anything they don't want to do. Make them sit in a room and text their friends for an hour, that'll show 'em!
     
  24. Jabba-wocky

    Jabba-wocky Chosen One star 10

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    Whatever happened to make employees live in company owned towns where there employers can control both the wages and the cost of all basic necessities? We are coddling American workers too much these days.
     
  25. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Yes, and what's the deal with body armor and taking cover? In the 19th century, men stood in lines and deflected enemy bullets with sheer manliness.
     
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