SW Languages Question

Sithese is derived from Arabic words?

 

I'm hard pressed to see that there might be any consistency about this to act as a guideline. I remember from the CW commentary the creators chose to use hungarian, I think, as a basis for the Nelvaan language, simply to make it sound more authentic than a jumble of made-up words. Also, I've always thought Greedo's original rodhese seemed dissimilar to later rodhese in the EU.

Convenience rules all else in SW, so why would this have established underlying rules? In all likelihood, unless there is a source in existence providing the exact info you want, you can make up just about anything and it would work.

 

Sadly, I expect you're probably right. Apart from Mando'a, I've never really noticed that much consistency, personally - and that was only because it was the same author who made it up, so I expect Mando'a will become just as inconsistent as other people add more words and phrases. I've tried in the past to make sense of Yuuzhan Vong but... it didn't get very far.

It's a shame, really, as in contrast Tolkien understood language to such a high degree that he hardly ever just "made things up" but always rooted his inventions in some ancient source, believing that words aren't "just" words but have their own history, with it being especially important for an English reader given how much of a hodgepodge our language is. You might not even realise the etymology behind a particular word, but he felt there was something that unconsciously made words that were rooted in actual words more believable than just mashing the keyboard randomly.

 

Sithwriting on Vaders chest plate is hebrew... so no idea where you get the arab or egypt vibe except from sith architecture


well celtic is interesting, love it myself and would like a GFFA equivalent. here some more languagewise I can add:



Dathomir trilogy of TCW had the witches speak Ancient High German which now essentially is dathomiri language of the witches. Courtship detailed the dathomiri language as per C3PO to have been derived from PAECIAN, a language of the paecian Empire that was patriarchic and once used Dathomir as a prison world 3000BBY, even before it got its NSW Sith academy. Paecian Empire was said to be an empire of humans that vanished some time later taken down by Drackmarian warlords.


Paecian Empire sounds like it might be something you could use, since it has nearly no EU lore and needs more, I beg more of that stuff




then there is the melodic language of the Hapans we know that has no clear origin aside the Lorell Raiders, and from whereever they originated pre-Hapes cluster settling. which is said to be close to dathomiri due to its melodic similarities (both Wolverton creations )

 

PS: so if Paecian is a root language of the ancient high german that is dathomiri, which related languages might be there for which cultures? and the human paecian empire, did it come from the Tion or from other coreward colonists originally. that way you can trace the root down further.


ps: I want to learn more about the Arkanian language, they were powerplayers once too and might have an important language root.


and olys Corelisi, alias old Corellian and its variations, what earth language does it resemble and represent? or just a variation of english/basic?



http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Languages

 

another contender: Bocce created by the Baobab Merchant fleet from multiple languages

scandianvian language finnish is heard in TPM between Watto and Sebulba shortly according to the wook, so Dug language or toydarian?

 

Durese would make sense, though wook has collected lots of durese words and sentences already we got thx to West End Games and other sources. Likewise with all other languages I liked to above. check them out to look for languages looking most like celtic ones

and to boot do not forget the accents of certain species in the movies and TCW. Neimoidians have a french accent in the german edition, and a japanese one in the english edition of the movies.

I like the Tapani and Sith ties you mention for the Paecian Empire, would be a nice connection.

 

Huttese = Quechua
Ewokese = Tagalog

Of course, everyone knows that.

 

Indeed. I've been on an awesome whirlwind through Europe and the Middle East - 14 countries in less than two months. Needless to say, my time for checking the Internet was somewhat limited. ;-)

The first and second are correct, though note that "The Written Word" doesn't discuss much about the *words* of Tionese, rather than the writing system; indeed, the one Tionese word we know, "Vigo" (cousin), has little resemblance to Greek. That could just be an outlier, though, as the parallels between the Tion Hegemony and Hellenistic Greece seem to grow with every telling.

As for the third case, not quite. Common Sith, the "low" form of Sith writing, is Hebrew. (Again, that doesn't mean that the Sith *language* is necessarily Hebrew, a fact well in evidence in the corpus of Sith words we've learned over the years.)

It may also help to note that the pseudo-Latin we get in numerous sources is High Galactic.

Which kind of Celtic? If it's Welsh, I'd be sorely tempted to tie it in some way to Gwellib Ap-Llewff's people in some way. Alas (or fortunately, depending on your point of view and RPing style), we don't know anything about them.

If it's Gaelic, I might try to tie it to Artorias, thanks to names like Caled and Finn Galfridian.

Creating fleshed-out diachronic constructed languages like Tolkien did is *incredibly* hard work, that can only be done as a labor of love over years or decades. There's no way it can be done on the tight deadlines and sufficient-but-not-extravagant paychecks that Star Wars authors work with, especially if they have to write a novel once they're done creating the languages.

Right, the logic behind there being multiple kinds of Sith writing is loosely based on the development of Egyptian writing. The actual *characters* of Common Sith are Hebrew rather than Demotic, though.

 

if anybody needs help with egyptian languages, my wife is an expert and egyptologist just ask

 

I've always assumed Darth Malak came from the Arabic word for king, "malik". Not much linguistic consistency to Sith titles, however. Majority are derived from Latin (being, of course, permutations of English words).

 

Good to be back. Needless to say, threads with "language" in the title tend to catch my eye.

Ah, Samhain. IIRC, that comes to us through Irish Gaelic, though if the Gwellib angle suits you, well, run with it.

Whatever you do, you may want to have it tied somehow to the Tion Hegemony, since they celebrate a festival (the name of which I don't recall) related to The Devouring that is clearly inspired by Hallowe'en. If you or someone you know still has access to "Xim Week: The History of Xim and the Tion Cluster," take a peak in there for more details.

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