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A/V Tales of the [Jedi, Empire] series

Discussion in 'Literature' started by RafSwi7, Dec 23, 2021.

  1. The Positive Fan

    The Positive Fan Force Ghost star 4

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    Given that the short had to successfully navigate the continuity of two different films, Dooku and Qui-Gon each just having more pressing matters to attend to is perfectly fine.

    It is interesting to note that per this episode, the Jedi Order lost three prominent masters (Sifo-Dyas, Qui-Gon, Yaddle) within a period of days of each other. At some point the Jedi learned that Sifo-Dyas died (although I don't know if we ever found out how, that whole thing is still kind of a mess) - I wonder if they ever learned what happened to Yaddle, or if from their perspective she just left the Temple one day and never came back. Maybe their deaths were felt in the Force?
    Unfortunate timing, if so, given what's on the horizon...

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  2. fett 4

    fett 4 Chosen One star 5

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    I think people would be less burnt out if we actually got some character development by all the Ahsoka, instead it's just the same old over and over. Dave has actually missed multiple tricks here imo
     
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  3. MercenaryAce

    MercenaryAce Chosen One star 6

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    Yeah. I like Ahoska just fine, but her shorts didn't feel like they added too much to her character, at least in contrast to Dooku's episodes creating a narrative of how he grew increasingly embittered towards the jedi and republic before finally falling to the dark side.
     
  4. The Positive Fan

    The Positive Fan Force Ghost star 4

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    With one episode occurring when she was an infant and another compressing the events of an entire novel into maybe ten minutes, I think it's reasonable to question whether the Ahsoka episodes were intended to convey the same sort of narrative arc or character development that the Dooku ones did. As others have noted in somewhat more negative terms, Ahsoka's character arc during the Clone Wars era has been filled in considerably, while enormous swaths of Dooku's story remain untold. Different characters, different approaches, apples, oranges, etc.

    One of the things I'm noticing isn't getting discussed much is the Naboo scene in episode 6 - a sweet moment that underlines Ahsoka's friendship with Padme, and features some really excellent voice acting by Ashley Eckstein. That was nice to see, and offers another example of these shorts navigating the continuity of the prequel trilogy to their advantage.
     
  5. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Dooku also just commuted an act of espionage and, beyond finding out what Qui-Gon knew about Maul, was likely intent on getting out of the temple that day. Also consider that the temple itself is pretty massive. Going to find Obi-Wan isn't just taking an elevator up one floor and down a hallway. So you'd have to be pretty intent on it to make the trip out of your way.
     
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  6. Xander Vos

    Xander Vos Jedi Master star 4

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    Eh I guess. Like I said it's fine, but it feels very contrived to align with dialogue in AOTC.
     
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  7. Vialco

    Vialco Force Ghost star 5

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    As someone who has a friend that works two blocks away that I haven’t seen in over two years, it doesn’t stretch belief for me. Dooku’s guilt which he vocalizes later to Sidious, likely keeps him from trying to meet his Grand-Padawan.
     
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  8. The Positive Fan

    The Positive Fan Force Ghost star 4

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    That's the quintessential challenge of any story like this - it has to work within the continuity beats that the films have already established, while making the plot devices that conform the story to those restrictions invisible rather than obvious. It's never going to be perfect. The solution we have here at least feels true to the characters and the circumstances; there were many worse possibilities. "What a dreadfully ill-timed turbolift malfunction. Too bad, Qui-Gon, I was really looking forward to meeting your padawan."
     
  9. Dagobahsystem

    Dagobahsystem Chosen One star 10

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    Enjoyed TotJ series. Nice animation and neat stories. Episodes 3 and 4 were really good. Will definitely rewatch the series someday.
     
  10. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    I've found the Sith Lord episode the most rewatchable.
     
  11. Endol

    Endol Jedi Master star 3

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    Still no episode guide on the official site or Database updates.

    Make me wonder if there are some behind the scenes changes being made about the last episode. the twitter backlash was quite noticeable.
     
  12. Coherent Axe

    Coherent Axe Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    The OS's updates are sporadic. Obi-Wan didn't get guides or Databank entries for months after the series finished. I was surprised that Andor's were coming weekly, but that could be the focus for now, and TOTJ will get its updates once Andor's done.
     
  13. AvarandElzarsittininatree

    AvarandElzarsittininatree Jedi Master star 4

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    They would only make changes if the viewing numbers weren't what they wanted them to be. Not because of what's going on on Twitter.
     
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  14. The Positive Fan

    The Positive Fan Force Ghost star 4

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    Lucasfilm's resilience to "Twitter backlash" over the last several years has been rather remarkable. I very much doubt they're doing anything at all in response to it. Star Wars Twitter finds something to be angry about on a pretty regular basis, and if Lucasfilm spent time and energy addressing every "backlash" it would pretty quickly turn into a fan relations nightmare.

    That being said I wouldn't mind seeing someone from the Story Group, or story-group-adjacent, post an article to starwars.com fully explaining the current approach to "canon" taken by the creators and making it clear that, in cases like this, one story isn't "overwritten" or "invalidated" by another. Both are fully canon and both are depictions of the same events, customized for the medium and the artistic intent of the creators. Not sure if such an article would calm some of the weird outrage that gets going when this sort of thing happens, but it couldn't hurt.
     
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  15. MercenaryAce

    MercenaryAce Chosen One star 6

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    Yeah, I think people vastly overestimate how much companies care about social media responses, as long as they get the views/money they want (and sometimes not even then if it isn't in the demographic they wanted or if there is some personal vendetta by a higher up)

    ...though, interestingly, some of the early screeners mentioned that the characters in resilience had names that were edited out of the final product, which suggests there is something going on with story group behind the scenes.
     
  16. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 9

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    They could do an explanatory video, with Anthony Starr, where he explains that canon means LucasFilm can do anything they want.

    (Wonder if anyone else here has been watching The Boys?)
     
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  17. SyndicThrass

    SyndicThrass Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    George Lucas being the Soldier Boy to LFL’s Homelander.
     
  18. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 9

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    Come on, I've my criticisms of Lucas but he doesn't deserve that.
     
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  19. Konrad Pietrzak

    Konrad Pietrzak Jedi Knight star 1

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    What kind of backlash?
     
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  20. DarthPhilosopher

    DarthPhilosopher Chosen One star 6

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    I don’t think that approach would make much sense. Two things can’t be both ‘fully canon’ if they contradict one another. One has to take precedent. They should just take the approach that everything is canon in so far as they don’t contradict the screen media. Where they contradict they are simply inaccurate.
     
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  21. Vialco

    Vialco Force Ghost star 5

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    Agreed. After I rewatched it, I watched the end of AOTC and Sacrifice. I really wanted to see more of that abandoned factory tower that serves as Sidious’s lair. It’s noteworthy that he flew his own ship to the tower in 32 BBY, but by 22 BBY he was accessing the tower through tunnels instead.
     
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  22. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 9

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    Do you really want to know more?
     
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  23. Konrad Pietrzak

    Konrad Pietrzak Jedi Knight star 1

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    I don't use Twitter, so yes. I want to know what happen.
     
  24. Coherent Axe

    Coherent Axe Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    The usual complaints about continuity and canon, especially in regards to whether "The Sith Lord" contradicts Dooku: Jedi Lost and Master & Apprentice, but the main issue was "Resolve" seeming to overwrite the Ahsoka novel as well as effectively erasing a key female, POC, LGBQT+ character in the process.
     
  25. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 9

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    Well, I'm sure someone will oblige you as to latest news from that pit of scum and villainy.
     
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