Terminator 3 Discussion Thread

Bad as in horrible.

Here's why:

NO James Cameron
NO Edward Furlong
NO Linda Hamilton
NO Robert Patrick (T-1000)

T2 was such a groundbreaking and amazingly awesome movie, great plot, acting, directing, score, and groundbreaking special effects that still hold up today. Plus it "ended" the story very nicely...i.e....Arnold destroying himself (the last chip)

NOW what do we have with T3...pure cheese.
Sure, you have a hot terminator woman, but that's about it.

I hope I'm wrong, but my prediction is that T3 will disappoint "true" fans of the first 2 films. However, I'm sure that many teenagers (no offense) will really like it...i.e...those who liked The Phantom Menace and listen to Linkin Park.

 

If they don't legitmatly explain how Skynet can still exist after they erased all evidence of its existence in T2, I will just cry about this movie. I hope they can think of something better then, "They missed a piece of technology!" which would be lame beyond words.

And let's not forget that Arnold is way to old. Just from the trailers, his voice doesn't have the same power that it did in T2, and he sounds like he's a 50 year old man.

I agree, this will be a bad, bad movie. And I loved TPM.

 

HEY...I like Phantom AND I listen to Linkin Park so back off bubby boy

j/k

It probably will be a bad movie but the only reason I'm gonna go see it is that it's filled to the brim with pointless action and miniguns (gotta love those )

How old is Arnie anyway 53-54?


-Mulacki

 

I have complete faith that the action will be brillient.

Storyline and acting be damned.

 

It all depends on how the film plays its cards.

 

T1: Commentary on man vs machine
T2: Let's all blow things up

Bad trend.

T2 did its job very, very well, mind you. But I have zero faith in T3.




Rick McCallum loves you!

 

I agree on the no Eddy Furlong thing, but luckily there is a large enough age gap where I can accept the difference.

The no Linda Hamilton thing does bother me, and it'd be cool to have Agent Dogget back as the t-1000.

As for the end of T2, it's a time paradox anyway, if Arnold destroys himself, then the machines never get created, and then the time machine is never created, and then Kyle never goes back in time to conceive John Conner in the first place, and no John Conner, then you have your time paradox.

So the only way it makes sense is if they fail.

 

There's no way they killed Skynet at the end of T2 anyway. You can't honestly tell me that a tech company that large wouldn't keep off-site backups of it's most important research data. At least you couldn't say it with a straight face. Come on.

I still think the film has a good chance of sucking though. No Cameron? Oh dear... About the only relation this film has to the first two is Arnie and the title.

I'll still go see it though.

 

It seems I have a little more faith in this movie that most of you. Obviously there is a huge risk that the movie will be a tremendous flop, but if the plot is nicely designed to fit the story line of the two previous movies, I think it could be ok.

We don't need Linda Hamilton. She can be dead, perfectly acceptable story twist. We really don't need Robert Patrick, the 'return of T-1OOO' would sound ridicilous. But I am afraid that the whole 'female terminator' thing was made up only because it would 'new and keeewl'. If they do not have a rational explanation for the female form of the terminator, I am going to be very disappointed.

Uh. The trailers rocks, though. "She'll be back."

 

You think the "how did skynet live" could be a huge plot hole. Take a look at this.

In T2, John Conner was part of the conspiracy and eventually did, blow up private property, endanger the lives of the police, endanger the lives of civilians (highway chase)unintentionally kill Miles, (imprudential homicide), avoid arrest, how the heck is he walking free on the streets by T3?

I mean, he should have been doing time in a juvenile detention facility and then transfered to a maximum security prison.

How the heck does he end up avoiding all the charges? Does he turn into a fugitive? By the look of the trailer´s it does not look like it. I´m just curious to figure that one out.

I would have liked to have seen a T3 where Connor has been a fugitive from the law for years, hiding in Mexico or some sort of thing. To the law and society, he is a criminal and lunatic, and time has taken his toll. He´s mother has died, and the guy has become darker, the way he has had to lead his life has made him harsh. No one understands him. He is depressed, because although he did something great for humanity, no one recognizes this and he can never go back to live a normal life. He sometimes even wonders if that event was worth all his present pain.

Enter Arnie. "John Connor, it is time". The war will begin, and ironically, John´s abilities to hide from the law developed during his fugitive years, will serve him infinitaly to hide not from man, but now from machine.

Oh and instead of just that Terminatrix beauty, they should have brought the T-1000 back, not just one, but several. I know they are waiting to do that in T4, but it would be cool for this movie. Just imagine the shot of a dozen T-1000´s running towards the camera toward´s Arnie. Might give Neo and Agent Smith a run for their money.

My two cents.

Oh and just to clear things, I don´t have anything against the Matrix, it was just an example.

 

I still have no idea what the story is for this film, because the preview gives nothing away in that department, so I will hold back all judgements in that department. But if it's just a Trekish "techno-babble" explaination, I'll be disappointed. As for a time paradox, I've seen too many movies and episodes of Trek to even care anymore about the laws of space-time. IMHO, Back to the Future was the only series that came close to reasonable in that department.

As for no Eddie Furlong - blasphemy!

 

I know next to nothing about the T3 plot. I don't know anything about how they plan to incorporate timeline issues. I was reserving judgment. But just from the trailer alone, this movie looks awful, so I have no intention of seeing it unless people I trust say that it's good.

 

I agree. The ending of T2 left no room for a sequel. It may be good as a film, but I don't see how it can be good in terms of fitting the rest of the story.

 

There's no way they killed Skynet at the end of T2 anyway. You can't honestly tell me that a tech company that large wouldn't keep off-site backups of it's most important research data. At least you couldn't say it with a straight face.

Yes, but the man who did all the research, and was in charge of the project would know about that, and when they went around destroying the evidence, i would think he got rid of everything.

 

I know many of you have questioned the existence of Skynet, however, look at some evidence. Yes, they destroyed the arm, chip and the T-800, however, there is one thing overlooked. During the T-800/T-1000 fight in the steel foundry, the T-800's arm is taken off by the steel grinders. Sure, it wasn't in the same condition as the other arm, but it's still an arm. Plus, you assume that a company like that doesn't have backup files? ?

There's plausibility in Skynet being created by that premise. However, the story will be something so oddball that it will make me wanna puke. The action looks good, just hope the story works well like T2 did.


-915

 

Yes, Padawan915, I always wondered why Arnie's crushed arm was overlooked. Did Cameron and everybody else involved actually overlook it, or did they purposely leave it behind for the sequel possibilty?

The trailer left me disappointed, but it certainly lowers our expectations. Hopefully, we'll be pleasantly surprised. I think it's definately going to be the lesser of the 3 films but it'll be interesting to see how director Jonathan Mostow (U571, Breakdown), handles a film of this scale.

 

I don't know why some of you's say that this movie will suck. Why talk trash when you haven't seen the movie? If you have seen the movie already and tought it sucked, then I wouldn't say nothing. But since the movie is still not done being made, I don't know why you's say T3 will be a very bad movie.

I tought the trailers were cool. Yes I know that the man who invented and started the Terminator movies ain't back for this one, but I'm sure that Mostow will not dissapoint us.

There will have to be surely a explanation why Skynet is still out there. Either because some of the files at the cyberdine building were not destroyed or because of Arnold's arm that was left in that crushing machine. But mostly I think it will be because all of the files were not destroyed. I mean the whole building was not destroyed, only the center.

So I dont think that Terminator3-T3-wil be very very bad for sure this film will not be as bad as the Hulk.

And no I don't think that Cameron over looked at that Arm. Remember, he stayed as far away from T3. He never wanted another movie to made from this sequels.

 

Whoa now, Valkor. Linkin park is sweet. I don't want to hear it. and by the way Darth Maul is cooler than you'll ever be! J/K
I do like linkin park though...

Anyway, I agree that this one wont be very good. But I do, however hope the score stays the same. The movie would be worth seeing just for the score.(You know I'm right.) But the story better be good because that will be a HUGE disapointment if it ends up like the land before time series.(yes, I used to watch it.) By that I mean One rocked, 2 was the best one, but by 3 and 4 and 5 and 6...and 14 and 15 etc, ect, The value is completely lost by the third and the whole series now has a bad name. Don't you agree?

 

Oh and you's also ask why John is not in Jail or anything like that.

I believe they don't get him is because they think that the same thing that happened with Sarah when they kept her on minimum security and was telling everyone that the Terminator will be back, the police may think the same think for John. That he may bring back those machines. So they just rather stay away from John.

Nibelheim- you say that this Terminator title is bad? Rise Of The Machines. I wouldn't say nothing because Linkin Park to me is just a name I can't bare to say.

 

Well I say there is a point at which you can say that a movie sucks without ever seeing it.

Ever watch the ads for made for SciFi movies. I can tell you with out watching one that they suck.

Thats pretty much what I'm basing the suckiness of T3 on. The fact that I've actually seen trailers for made for SciFi movies that look better than the trailer for t3.

 

If those trailers were better, than they should be in the movie, don't you think?

 

Forget the arm. The arm has nothing. The chip is what makes the difference.

 

"because Linkin Park to me is just a name I can't bare to say."

What the Heck is that suppost to mean? are you one of those eminem lovers?

Forcebewitya!

 

I can see it being hugely entertaining, my only concern is Arnie's performance, from the trailers he doesn't seem to speak in the same way as he did in T1 and T2. I'm concerned that he might play it in a self-referential way - the same way that Robert DeNiro played his role in Anaylse This, always 'winking' at the audience.

 

I know someone who's working on this movie, and he's told me that the footage they're getting back to work with is really bad. That combined with an awful trailer, no Cameron, Fuhrlong or Hamilton, and I think we're looking at a big turkey here, myself.