That Boy Is Our Last Hope. Plothole?

Now that most of us have seen ROTS, we know that Obi-Wan-Kenobi is aware that Anakin is the father of Leia as well. So why does he say to Yoda in the ESB, "That Boy Is Our Last Hope", with Yoda correcting him, by replying, "No, there is another". Why would he say this if he's "supposed" to know about Leia? Seems like a plothole to me. Your thoughts?

 

You really think Leia has the cajones to take on Vader?

I bet the Ben assumed if Luke failed, Leia wouldn't be able to live up to the hype. Besides Leia isn't gifted in the force like Luke is.

 

Obi-Wan probably didn't think a girl (even Vader's own daughter) could take on Vader and the Emperor. And ultimately, Obi-Wan and Yoda both knew it was going to eventually going to come to that: Luke was going to have to face Vader and the Emperor.

It's not a plothole, it's sexism!

 

I'm not sure, but does Obi-wan ever see Leia/hears about her in ANH and ESB? Maybe he thought that Leia died on Alderaan.

 

Well, he does get the message Leia sent, which prompted him to train Luke in the first place. Leia was given a prominent position of power as Alderaan's senator (great cover for serving the Rebellion), even if the Senate was just a rubber stamp. He was a recluse, but I doubt he was completely cut off from the rest of the universe...

 

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Seems like people see plotholes in all things they fail to understand....

Then at the end of the discussion they'll be either like: "Aaaah, I get it now!" or "GL is so out of his mind"

 

i don't get obi wans reasoning either

 

Obi-Wan is right: Luke is their only hope.

It's Yoda's reply that's fishy: "No, there is another."

Then again, he wasn't talking about Leia in ESB.

 

It was written that way so that at that point in EsB we would feel like
even Luke may die and is expendable.....it added to the drama.

 

Seems like people see plotholes in all things they fail to understand....

Well, why don't you "enlighten" us all then, since this statement implies you know the answer?

 

I think this is clearly a plothole. There's no other logical way to explain his statement about Luke "being their last hope", since Obi-Wan saw Padme give birth in ROTS.

 

The question is, why do people see this as an ESB plothole? obviously it's a ROTS plothole, but people just can't resist the urge to rip apart the origional

 

Just to clarify, I see it as a ROTS plothole as well, not an ESB one.

 

The "other" was originally not Leia. Luke's sister was someone else who was going to be introduced later in the saga when it still consisted of nine parts. From this line one can assume Obi-Wan did not know about this character.

When Lucas condensed episodes 7, 8, and 9 into ROTJ he made Leia the sister. It was only after ROTJ that this line could be considered confusing to the viewer as Obi-Wan said he was involved in the hiding of the twins.

 

i take it as obiwan didnt think leia was up to the challenge of taking on her dad. luke wanted to cause he thought vader killed his dad, and he was stronger in the force. like father like son. so this is how i see it.

 

It's really not a plothole. Obi-Wan's a sexist. I mean this is the same guy that called Jar Jar a pathetic life form and thought Anakin was one too. So he would favor Luke over Leia. Just like the powers of the Force mainly resonated from Anakin and the power of politics from Padme. So Luke would be the Jedi and Leia the politician.

 

You have no knowledge of Leia's strength in the Force.
She may be weaker than Jar-Jar.

 

I guess people need it spelled out.

Ben is watching Luke go off to his death and he says "There goes that idea." and Yoda says "We've got other ones."

yoda is only reminding Obi-Wan. They just cut before Ben goes "Oh, yeah."

and remember the "Other" is the person that saves Luke at the bottom of Cloud City. without Leia the plan failed. but Yoda didn't count her out.

 

Perhaps Obi-Wan was a sexist? This is my conclusion.

 

Obi-Wan probably didn't think a girl (even Vader's own daughter) could take on Vader and the Emperor.

I don't think it has to do with the fact that Leia is a girl. i think it's because she's a politician, and he doesn't trust them. He says so in AotC.

 

yoda is only reminding Obi-Wan. They just cut before Ben goes "Oh, yeah."

Maybe he's reminding Obi-Wan in ESB, but in ROTJ there seems to be a fundamental disagreement, because Obi-Wan still maintains: "you were our only hope".

 

Maybe he's reminding Obi-Wan in ESB, but in ROTJ there seems to be a fundamental disagreement, because Obi-Wan still maintains: "you were our only hope".

well. in the novelization Obi-Wan clarifies this with "The other he spoke of was your twin sister. She will find it no easier than you to destroy Darth Vader."

But still, my argument was that it's not a plothole that Ben doesn't seem to remember Leia. Maybe Ben doesn't believe Leia can do it. that's something else entirely.

and if you're watching it in order, the line in empire reminds the audience of Leia as well. at this point in the films the focus is all on Luke. ah well.

 

Obi Wan is a smart-ass in the prequels with his constant annoying one-liners and he is a liar (time and time again) and a sexist in the original trilogy. Still he's extremely cool!!

 

Maybe he just assumed that Leia died on Alderaan?