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Amph The 2025 Box Office Blood Galaxy

Discussion in 'Community' started by The2ndQuest , Dec 29, 2024 at 5:49 AM.

  1. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Time to anticipate rocking in a new year!



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    The Blood Bath began in 2015...
    The rain of the Bloodshower poured through 2016...
    With the Bloodsplatter staining 2017...
    And washed away by the Blood Ocean in 2018....
    To consume the Blood World in 2019...
    A world that, in 2020, found itself orbited by the dreaded Blood Moon...
    ...but then the Blood Moon got sick and was forced into the Blood Quarantine...
    Then, the battle to save the theater industry began with the Blood Vaccine in 2021...
    And its battle continued through the Blood Booster of 2022...
    A resuscitation of an industry necessitating the use of the 2023 Blood Bag...which then took form as the 2023 Blood Barbie...
    But with an industry in need of new blood, they ordered forth the 2024 Blood Replenishment...
    And, yet, even now an ancient prophecy calls forth cinematic performance of an even greater scale through the 2025 Box Office Blood Galaxy!!!

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    Some Notable Releases:
    Jan: The Damned, Den of Thieves 2: Pantera, Wolf Man, Better Man [wide release], Flight Risk, Dog Man
    Feb: Heart Eyes, Love Hurts, Captain America: Brave New World, Paddington in Peru, The Monkey, The Day the Earth Blew Up: A Looney Tunes Movie, Last Breath, The Legend of Ochi
    Mar: Mickey 17, Black Bag, Novocaine, The Alto Knights, Snow White, A Working Man
    Apr: A Minecraft Movie, The Amateur, Passion of the Christ: Resurrection, The Ritual, Sinners, The Accountant 2
    May: Thunderbolts*, Final Destination: Bloodlines, Lilo & Stitch, Mission: Impossible - The Final Reckoning, Karate Kid: Legends
    Jun: From the World of John Wick: Ballerina, Pixar's Elio, How to Train Your Dragon, 28 Years Later, F1, M3GAN 2.0
    Jul: Jurassic World: Rebirth, Superman, I Know What You Did Last Summer, The Smurfs Movie, The Fantastic Four: First Steps
    Aug: The Bad Guys 2, The Naked Gun, Beneath the Storm, (The Battle of Baktan Cross), Freakier Friday, Mercy, Nobody 2, Thread: An Insidious Tale
    Sept: The Conjuring: Last Rites, Downton Abbey 3, The Bride, Saw XI
    Oct: Michael, Roofman, Animal Friends, Tron: Ares, The Black Phone 2, Good Fortune, Mortal Kombat 2
    Nov: Burgonia, Predator: Badlands, The Running Man, Now You See Me 3, Wicked: For Good, Zootopia 2
    Dec: Five Night at Freddy's 2, The SpongeBob Movie: Search For SquarePants, Avatar: Fire and Ash, The Anaconda, The Housemaid, Marty Supreme


    Looking at the year as a whole, it's a pretty packed line-up (and not just compared to last year's thin schedule). Though that is at least partially due to all the strike-delayed releases from last year delayed into this year. I am surprised at some of the risks being taken by surprise hits in moving their sequels to different release slots/seasons. M3GAN from the first film's Feb to June, and I don't know what the hell FNAF2 is doing in Dec.

    It's also interesting to see the Insidious, Conjuring and Saw franchises all hitting within a month of each other (and outside of the more traditional Oct horror window or a bigger summer window- albeit Saw X did well enough in Sept last time). I'm also surprised that I Know What You Did Last Summer is getting such a summer slot- even Scream really doesn't do that and IKWYDLS was always second tier to that, let alone more recent horror franchise successes.

    And we're obviously seeing other films give Avatar a wide enough berth, so Nov is looking a little more crowded than usual too. We also have a film by the director of Tron Legacy (F1) coming out the same year as the sequel to Tron Legacy (finally) comes out.

    My earlier bets for Top 10: Avatar 3, Wicked 2, Zootopia 2, Thunderbolts, JW4, F4FS, Superman, MI8, Cap 4, Passion 2 (basically all the ones that need to do at least $500-600m minimum)

    Surprise spoilers could be: Lilo & Stitch, F1, Minecraft, Elio, Ballerina, Sinners, and Tron 3, though I suspect most, if not all, of those will simply remain in the Top 20.

    Really, though, what we are going to find out is if people actually give a crap about the Fantastic Four, or if it really was just Fox's execution of the property that held it back...
     
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  2. Rylo Ken

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    Thanks @The2ndQuest for setting up the thread. A big question is will 2025 be a better overall year than 2024 and 2023? I honestly doubt it. No one would dare bet against Avatar 3 to be the biggest movie of the year, so it may be 11.5 months of just waiting around to find out the extent to which Jim Cameron can save the year from total disaster.

    Of the three "live action" remakes unless I'm missing some: Snow White, Lilo, and How to Train, the How to Train Your Dragon looks like the most fun. I won't go see it, but I'm sure someone will.

    Snow White is my early pick for debacle of the year. Aside from the distasteful piling on from the anti-woke/racist/MAGA crowd, it looks legitimately terrible. Even if they go back and redesign all the dwarves and CGI-replace Zegler's hair, that might not be enough to save the movie.

    My dark horse candidate for flop of the year is Superman. Maybe, at long last, people have had enough of this silly character and sad attempts to reboot his movie with more expensive and fancier boots. My second dark horse candidate for flopsville is Thunderbolts. The trailer signaled flop as much as any Marvel movie ever has. It looks "The Marvels" bad or worse. But I'm usually wrong about Marvel. I take solace in 2024, when of all comicbook superhero movies, only Venom and Deadpoolverine succeeded.

    But if it's true that Dead Reckoning Part Two's budget is close to $400 million, and given the reception of part 1, then it might be irresponsible to bet against Tom Cruise for flop of the year 2025.

    Sinners looks like fun, but a small movie that might possibly make $100 million total box office against its $90 million budget. People may like it, but I don't think theatrical profitability is remotely plausible. Coogler's biggest success has come from making better than average franchise sequels. Granted, Black Panther and Creed were huge commercial successes, but Coogler isn't yet a household name who can fill movie seats. I'd definitely go see it just from the trailer, but honestly the trailer wasn't all that helpful in telling audiences what to expect.
     
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  3. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Yeah, I don't have any hopes for Snow White doing well at all. I'm probably underestimating HTDYD's nostalgic appeal, since it was never a big thing for me (and I don't think I ever saw the sequel which is generally raved about). So that one could surprise me. I think Lilo & Stitch is something that can translate very well to live action, and the marketing teasers have been short but really fun and effective, IMO. So my money is on that one for now.

    I think Gunn will manage to deliver something that will elevate Superman above conservative expectations- but it is an uphill battle for anything DC with audiences at this point. However, i think they'll overcome that (continuing to lean on the GOTG pedigree in the marketing for general audiences will no doubt help). Plus it has a dog. That's an extra $50m minimum. ;)

    MI8 may fair better this time than 7 since it won't be fighting for IMAX screens with Nolan. Thunderbolts will surprise people, I think. Audiences have been wanting more grounded material from Marvel, and less cosmic. And this being the Avengers-equivalent of bringing together characters into a team to top off the last few years of films/shows will give it some juice (especially since most of them are well-regarded characters by audiences even when they're from lesser-received films). It's really more dependent on how well Cap 4 is received, since that will do more than anything else in building audience interest and hype for the next MCU film.

    Sinners may end up as you say, but I suspect it's going to find its audience and make some moderate bank off of the names attached, Coogler isn't up there just yet, but he could get there. And this film may be a key step towards that.
     
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  4. BigAl6ft6

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    Thunderbolts* will do better than Cap 4, Fantastic Four will do better than Cap 4 but not as much as Thunderbolts*. Avatar 3 will have a big but not gigantic opening but will do well for a month, losing #1 in North America only when 28 Years Later: The Bone Temple comes out in January 2026. Avatar 3 will also be the lowest grossing film in the franchise in North America, do probably 70% of its business overseas, may not crack 2 billion worldwide total. Will still be the highest grossing 2025 release anyway. Superman will land between 600 and 800 worldwide total. Snow White may not crack 300 million worldwide total. Mission Impossible 500 worldwide, pretty much all of that overseas and no more than 150 million in North America
     
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  5. Rylo Ken

    Rylo Ken Chosen One star 7

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    Thunderbolts, Lilo and MI definitely will answer the question whether all moviegoing quadrants are interested in returning to theaters in May. 2024 hit all quadrants in May with Fall Guy, kotpota, Furiosa 2 and IF - and all of them but kotpota badly underperformed. Kotpota was at best borderline successful.

    2025 is offering up bigger franchises/brands in May, so maybe that pays off.

    The lesson of 2024 is that moviegoing succeeds as an enterprise when and only when the kids are out of school on holiday or summer break. Otherwise forget it. But that might not be the right lesson for 2025.
     
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  6. gezvader28

    gezvader28 Chosen One star 6

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    I do hope Superman is good. DC really need to win a game.
     
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  7. Rylo Ken

    Rylo Ken Chosen One star 7

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    Historically speaking, Superman has about a 1 in 8 chance of being good and a 1 in 2 chance of being commercially successful, maybe 1 in 3 given the problems that DC has had.
     
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  8. Jedimarine

    Jedimarine Chosen One star 6

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    Even if Superman is good, the slow word of mouth and the tradewinds against the cinema visit in general could deflate it's performance.

    If it is good, I could see it becoming the key anchor for MAX subscriptions as people find it on streaming. That could lead to additional success for Gunn's DC as new installments are released down the line. But they should be modest in their expectations for the first one, even if they are going bonkers in their efforts.

    If it is bad, they may have to vault DC for a LONG time. Or sell the brand off. Honestly, I don't see how WB stays in the black if they can't get a profitable franchise back into production. More Potter? They have to make this work.
     
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  9. Jedi Knight Fett

    Jedi Knight Fett Chosen One star 10

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    Will this year do better than 2024 at the box office.

    the American box office still hasn’t recovered from Covid.

    avatar is still supposed to come out this year right? It’s gonna make another zillion dollars. Zootapia has a chance as well as that Michael Jackson film and maybe Jurassic world 4
     
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  10. solojones

    solojones Chosen One star 10

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    I didn't realize Ken was a Superman hater. FRIENDSHIP OVER.
     
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  11. Rylo Ken

    Rylo Ken Chosen One star 7

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    I don't hate Superman specifically. He's just subsumed in my general comic book superhero movie ire. I do rate Superman the Movie as one of the top 5 moviegoing experiences of my childhood.
     
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  12. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Chosen One star 8

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    I do not see the Michael Jackson movie doing Bohemian Rapsody numbers which is what many are predicting. Jackson's (Riddler mode on) legacy of LIES and MURDER (/Riddler) is too entrenched.
     
  13. gezvader28

    gezvader28 Chosen One star 6

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    I'm truly amazed that those Jurassic movies are still going, they're rubbish.
     
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  14. Jedimarine

    Jedimarine Chosen One star 6

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    I'm truly amazed that movies are still going, they're rubbish.

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    Seriously...I'm struggling to recall a film I consider truly phenomenal in the last 5 years? 10?

    I chalk it up to my age, mostly...but even younger people don't seem to like movies the same way.

    I chalk THAT up to the shifting media landscape, where people have even more divided attention then ever before.

    Still...does that lack of focus permit a slippage in quality, as the most important thing is to get something in front of someone, no matter how good it is?

    Or is this just a lull between epic film-making eras, as the industry has experienced before.

    I don't know...but the reliance on bad remakes and overly stretched franchises cannot keep the stove hot forever.
     
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  15. Rylo Ken

    Rylo Ken Chosen One star 7

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    I don't see how movies can compete with 15 second video compilations of dogs jumping into piles of leaves but what do I know.
     
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  16. Jedimarine

    Jedimarine Chosen One star 6

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    I prefer 8 minute videos about trains. But dogs in leaves are right up there.
     
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  17. solojones

    solojones Chosen One star 10

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    What.
     
  18. Jedimarine

    Jedimarine Chosen One star 6

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  19. solojones

    solojones Chosen One star 10

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    That image isn't showing up here but I'm just gonna say you're watching the wrong movies.

    T2Q EDIT- Fixed the image embed link so that it works now.
     
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  20. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    I think there's an added layer of needing continual marketing in the current mediascape because it's too easy to get buried by all the options and not breakthrough. I've lost count of large releases that either underperformed or even merely opened decently where so many people would mention that they hadn't even heard of the movie or seen a trailer- despite these films having their trailers play in front of almost every movie for months before release.

    And that becomes a problem when you have a weak release slate- the wider audiences aren't going to the theaters during those lulls and, thus, are not seeing those trailers when they are being shown constantly. Then those films come out and underperform because of that lowered awareness.

    But then what we saw in 2024 was that once bigger films started to come out (even if they were underperforming themselves), it slowly built up some momentum via the trailers playing with them so that the next batch of releases actually had awareness to build off of. That seems to be the main reason (quality of the other films aside) explaining the absolutely weird performance pattern we saw throughout May and early June before kids were out of school, etc.

    You are severely overestimating what a 28xL film can open to. Let alone in January. A2, at that weekend point in its run, grossed more than either 28xL opening weekend (both films did $10m or less on their opening weekends in pre-July 4th and mid-may release windows). If this had come out 10+ years ago at the height of the TWD-fueled zombie craze, it might have had a chance of doing significantly more. But now? It'll a small, inflation-fueled percentile increase at best. 28YL1 will have to lay some notable goodwill and groundwork to boost 28TL2 that much.
     
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  21. DarkGingerJedi

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    Fave movies from the last few years

    Everything Everywhere All at Once
    The Green Knight
    The Outlaw King
    Dune (prob more so Dune 2)
    The Batman
    The Witch
    A Christmas Carol (Guy Pierce version, 2019)
     
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  22. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    There are plenty of great films still being produced. You seem to be making the mistake of looking for that among the mega-budgeted studio slop.
     
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  23. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Yeah, even for those of us more geared towards the blockbusters, there have been some truly great mid-level-or-below films over the past couple years alone. In 2022 we were being ridiculously spoiled between films like Everything Everywhere All At Once, The Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent, Glass Onion, Nope, Emily the Criminal, Tar, The Menu, Violent Night, and even some notably weird (IMO) misfires like Barbarian and Three Thousand Years of Longing.

    And then 2023 probably had one of the strongest, most evenly balanced slate of Oscar contenders that we've had in years (and they didn't even nominate Godzilla Minus One for the top award).

    This year, maybe a little less so (thin release slate due to the strikes and what have you), but the award contenders are only just starting to make their presence known. Though the first half of the year did have Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare, which I found to be underrated. Not every year will be full of bangers like 2022.
     
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  24. Guidman

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    The two films that I'm looking forward to the most next year, Mission Impossible 8 and F1, are probably two of the biggest **** or go home in terms of box office. If only for their monster budgets. They could both do well but they need to do incredibly well to even make it into the black.
     
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  25. solojones

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    Exactly. Even large budget but not huge can be good, see Oppenheimer. Just stop watching tentpoles.
     
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