The Battle of Hoth: Rogue and Blizzard rosters & losses

We know Dash and his speeder (and presumably whatever gunner) survived, as do Wedge and Dack.

I presume you mean "Wedge and Wes?"

 

I had always presumed that the Rogues at Hoth had been reduced to 6 fighters due to them pairing up. I know that there are more than 6 Snow Speeders, which I figured were men of other squadrons.

So at Hoth did the Rogues have about 24 pilots (excluding Dash) on their roster? Did the Rogues have their 12 men flying or shooting and others filled the other spot? Which does not account for Wedge/Wes and Luke/Dack partnership as all 4 were members of Rogue squadron at the time.

How many Blizzard walkers were there? I had thought there were more than 6.

 

Were all the snowspeeders at Hoth Rogues? Because if they were, I have a new one for you:

Samoc Farr, from the Tales of the Bounty Hunters tale "Of Possible Futures", was a snowspeeder pilot at Hoth. She got shot down but survived. Her sister, Controller Toryn Farr, saw her safely to another base. Her designation is not given, (that I could find), which is why I asked if all the speeders were Rogues.

 

So you agree that Samoc was probably a Rogue?

 

Yeah, I could've sworn I remembered Samoc was Rogue Twelve, but then I checked, (I did a pretty thorough job), and I couldn't find any parts of the story in which her designation is given. It just says she was a speeder pilot.

However, I did find something that strongly suggests Samoc was a Rogue. On page 222 it says:

Samoc was one of the Rebel's best snowspeeder pilots. The fact that her ship had gone down meant the fight outside was truly horrific.

I infer that since she was one of the best, she would at least be flying a Rogue speeder, (as per what EV said), even if she was not herself, in fact, a Rogue.

EDIT: Forgot to write the page number.

 

Was that Blizzard scout Lt. Arnet in a AT-AT walker? If not, then the game Galatic Battlegrounds has 6 AT-AT's that you control to destroy the generator.

One side question, it was Hobbie who said "Two fighters against a Star Destroyer?" correct?

 

Yeah, I always thought Samoc was a Rogue. But so Rogue Squadron was cut down to 6 ships because half the pilots were serving as gunners? Cux thats what I always thought.

 

Wasn't Tycho at Hoth?

 

Yeah, Tycho flew in one of the speeders.

Also, I read somewhere that Dash flew in either Rogue 11 or Rogue 12, but I can't find the source anymore.

 

It was in the comic

"I heard you downed an AT-AT at Hoth"

"Kid I slept through most of that battle"

That exchange was between Luke and Dash IIRC.

 

One side question, it was Hobbie who said "Two fighters against a Star Destroyer?" correct?

As 2ndQuest already said, yes. Both the novelization and the Annotated Screenplay Plays.

As for whether or not it was just Rogue Squadron which ran delaying actions during the evacuation of Hoth using snowspeeders, based on the EGtVaV only the Rogues were using them. However, A Guide to the Star Wars Universe states that Rogue Flight was charged with protecting the evacuation force. The Annotated Screenplays and novelization both have Luke saying Rogue Group. Rogue Group could include more than one squadron or it could merely be Rogue Squadron.

 

That's why I was asking about that quote. The movie kinda implies that Hobbie is charged with defending the transports, since he was in his X-Wing flight gear and in their hanger getting orders for the escort duty.

So it is highly possible that Rogue Squadron had more than 12 pilots on their roster at Hoth?

I have not played Force Commander so I'm not sure how many AT-ATs were in that game. It has also been a very long time since I last played SOTE and I don't remember how many AT-ATs were in that game as well. However, if GB is the best source for the battle of Hoth (Imp. viewpoint), then would the 6 AT-ATs be a accurate representation? I don't think there were more than 6 AT-ATs in SOTE, but I don't remember the exact count.

 

And if the games are accurate, then I guess Dash flew around and shot all of his wingmen and gun turrets before crashing into an AT-AT's foot, like what happened the last time I played that level.

 

But the flight suit for flying a fighter appears to be less bulky than the flight suit worn by the snowspeeder pilots in ESB. If I had to hazard a guess as to what happened concerning Hobbie making that statement, I'd guess one of two things. First, when Hobbie made the statement he was to help escort the evacuation ships to get past the Imperial fleet but then he was told to suit up as a part of the delaying action. This meant throwing on something else which caused the more bulky appearance seen in snowspeeder flight suits. Perhaps all of Rogue Squadron was switched from escort duty to flying snowspeeders at the same time as Hobbie. The second possibility was that Hobbie was in the midst of getting into full flight gear for a snowspeeder when Leia called him over for the briefing she quickly gave to the escort pilots.

Right now, I'd guess the first possibility is likely. When we see Luke talk to Han right before the Battle of Hoth, he appears to be geared up for flying his X-wing. All pilots attending Leia's briefing are all in flight suits. Then there is a bit of time after their ordered to their stations before we see Luke again, Now his suit seems slightly more bulky, as if there's something more in it.

On a different note, just after we see the last snowspeeder cross the rebel trench we get a shot of them heading for the AT-AT force in which five AT-ATs appear on the horizon. So there is at least a minimum of five AT-ATs in the battle. AT-ATs can carry forty fully armed troops and five speeder bikes (or they may carry two AT-STs). Depending on how far out of the perimeter would depend on whether or not all the snowtroopers we end up seeing on the ground on the battlefield itself marched towards the perimeter on foot or whether they disembarked from an AT-AT and then marched the rest of the way in. But it seems more likely that they disembarked and then marched in. Five AT-ATs could only carry 200 troops. Yet the Empire would have been more likely to field a larger number of troops. Because they had to land their forces outside Echo Base perimeter, it seems likely that they would have had them embark onto the AT-ATs and then have the walkers move them closer to the action. So there had to be more than five AT-ATs.