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The Battle of Jabiim

Discussion in 'Literature' started by b-wingmasterburnz, Jan 1, 2005.

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  1. b-wingmasterburnz

    b-wingmasterburnz Jedi Master star 3

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    I haven't read very much Clone Wars stuff so far; only Shatterpoint and Cestus. However, I think this is a legitimate question?though it may have already been discussed.

    In The Cestus Deception, on page 57, Mace reminisces about "Antar Four, and even the Battle of Jabiim," Now, I don't know what that battle involved, but in the Clone Wars timeline in the inside cover of that book, it says that the Battle of Jabiim takes place in Clone Wars III, three months after Cestus. Of course, some planets have had multiple battles before, so that could work out.

    I'm wondering if this is a misprint in the timeline, or did another battle take place at Jabiim in the Clone Wars before The Cestus Deception?
     
  2. james_hewlett

    james_hewlett Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Nope, not a misprint, Jabiim does take place then, and there is only the one battle (well, none before the one in the comics) it's just a continuity mess up
     
  3. Mavrick889

    Mavrick889 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    It's possible we'll see it fixed in the softcover, who knows.
     
  4. Excellence

    Excellence Jedi Knight star 7

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    Such alterations don't happen in the publishing business.
     
  5. JediTrilobite

    JediTrilobite Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    It was a mistake. Steven Barnes said that he was given some bad information from LFL. Not a huge problem.
     
  6. Mavrick889

    Mavrick889 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    No, not often they don't. However, the error regarding the Hyperspace War in Medstar I IS being fixed for the second printing. So it is not unprecedented.
     
  7. Excellence

    Excellence Jedi Knight star 7

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    Amazing that they would do that. It's nearly unprecedented.

    Apparently, a certain Republic-class issue showed Koth and Poof (both dead) in a Jedi Councillor panel, and it didn't get fixed for the TPB, I've heard.

    Could they recitfy the NJO too? [-o|
     
  8. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    This was confirmed as an error- though the rationalization of an earlier conflict on Jabiim could work.

    Still, chalk it up as an error- similar to the mistaken references to the Stark Hyperspace War instead of the Great Hyperspace War made in another SW novel.
     
  9. Excellence

    Excellence Jedi Knight star 7

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    Technically, the SHW comic shows it was more a Star Hyperspace Conflict than a war. Indeed, Cloak of Deception says conflict as often as war.

    NEGTC, the AOTC Jedi Councillor entry, actually says during the 5th Battle of Qotile. THAT never happened in the SHW comic. What five battles, what Qotile?
     
  10. Leto II

    Leto II Jedi Padawan star 6

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    The "Qotile":

    [image=http://www.classicgaming.com/rotw/yar2.gif]



    ...Apparently something Yet-To-Be-Addressed in the official continuity.

    See entry under: "Tank."

    (Or the the supposed, mythical, realistic-as-unicorns Echani "superiority.")


    ...Wait a minute -- was that the "Great Hyperspace War" Medstar gaffe you're referring to, 2nd?
     
  11. Knight1192

    Knight1192 Jedi Knight star 6

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    Are the Clone Wars novels even publishing a timeline that date back thousands of years? I thought everything there was fairly recent, happening within the last hundred or two years, which would certainly be the time period within which the Stark Hyperspace War occurs. The Great Hyperspace War was five thousand years before the Battle of Yavin.
     
  12. Leto II

    Leto II Jedi Padawan star 6

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    It was merely a slight referential phuque-up by Perry/Reaves in the first half of the first Medstar book -- a relevant nod back to the Stark Hyperspace War, which got FUBARed into a "Great Hyperspace War"-class (see? now *I'm* doing it) notation.

    The LFL Clone Wars timeline in the books only covers the most recent works, so nothing to fret over there.
     
  13. rogue_wookiee

    rogue_wookiee Jedi Youngling star 6

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    Apparently, a certain Republic-class issue showed Koth and Poof (both dead) in a Jedi Councillor panel, and it didn't get fixed for the TPB, I've heard.

    Which issue was this?

    What five battles, what Qotile?

    It must have happened in an alternate dimension. ;)
     
  14. Excellence

    Excellence Jedi Knight star 7

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    Don't know, Rogue. I haven't received CW5 yet. Probably one of the Rep 60s issues.

    The Fifth Battle of Qotile was only mentioned in NEGTC; AOTC Jedi Councillor entry. It contradicts the limited events seen in Stark Hyper.
     
  15. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    >>..Wait a minute -- was that the "Great Hyperspace War" Medstar gaffe you're referring to, 2nd?<<

    Probably ;)

    >>Which issue was this? <<

    I believe it was #61: Dead Ends, when Bail visits the council.

    That, and the miscoloring of Anakin's glove in #62: No Mans Land were originally intended to be fixed for the TPB, however that sorta slipped through the cracks and was not.
     
  16. rogue_wookiee

    rogue_wookiee Jedi Youngling star 6

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    Clone Wars 5 in hand. The Council members slipped through the cracks.

    Just don't let LFL know. They will try to make Agen Kolar and some new Quermian Jedi Council members instead of admitting to messing up. I'm half surprised Yaddle wasn't there as well.

    As for the 5th battle of Qotile. The only battle I ever saw was on Troiken. Maybe the mine, the mountain or the continent was called Qotile?
     
  17. RogueWompRat

    RogueWompRat Jedi Youngling star 4

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    Methinks it was a skirmish between Stark's pirates and forces fighting for the Republic somewhere else then Troiken.
     
  18. rogue_wookiee

    rogue_wookiee Jedi Youngling star 6

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    But Plo Koon was supposed to be there. And he was on Troiken during the entire conflict.
     
  19. Jort

    Jort Jedi Padawan star 4

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    There could be another Battle of Jabiim at 8 months ABG.
     
  20. Tam_Elgrin

    Tam_Elgrin Jedi Master star 4

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    Or possibly 4 months ABG:

    [image=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/Tam_Elgrin/8.jpg]

    Of course the presence of operative gunships does make it unlikely.
     
  21. Jort

    Jort Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I've never seen that before? Or is it from the intro in the first chapter? :confused:
     
  22. Tam_Elgrin

    Tam_Elgrin Jedi Master star 4

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    Yeah, it's from the battle montage in Chapter One.
     
  23. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    I believe it was confirmed that was not Jabiim.
     
  24. RogueWompRat

    RogueWompRat Jedi Youngling star 4

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    But Plo Koon was supposed to be there. And he was on Troiken during the entire conflict.

    Mop up operations following the events of the comic then? Perhaps not all of Stark's forces were at Troiken.

    Really it's just a case of various authors not bothering to read the comic and assuming the Stark Hyperspace War was some huge galaxy-spanning conflict rather then a quick skirmish in a remote system.
     
  25. Leto II

    Leto II Jedi Padawan star 6

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    Not necessarily -- Jim Luceno greatly expanded the overall scope of it in Cloak of Deception, released a good half-year *before* Ostrander's arc ever hit the newsstands. Obviously there's far more to what went on in the war than simply the Troiken contretemps...something for future works to pick up the slack on.
     
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