the Battle of Mandalore?

shouldn't there be a comic being based off this Battle in the republic series? I mean we know Fenn spoke of it, but we never actually saw it happen.

I want to see Mandalorians kick some ass

 

Dark Horse Comics looked into doing it and said it probably won't happen, unfortunately.

The only stories we have to go by are Fenn Shysha's account in Star Wars #68 & #69, as well as the SW Miniatures Battle game scenario, "The Battle For Mandalore," which covers the actual Jedi/Republic invasion of Mandalore and the fall of the city.

 

is their a description of the battle somewhere?

 

Here're a couple of synposes for you (transcriptions courtesy of Valiento and The Genghis):

"Battle for Mandalore
by Chris Hind
Challenge Magazine (GDW Games, Mar 92)

"Ten soldiers wearing the distinctive gray uniforms of the Republican Army and a half-dozen black-clad Jedi Knights advance cautiously through the deserted, rubble-choked streets of Mandalore. Black smoke hangs heavily in the air. Army Lieutenant Weirs matches strides with Voli Quana, Jedi mistress.

'Your soldiers fight with remarkable order,' Quana says, 'even in these chaotic conditions.'

'The troops are obeying orders which I haven't even given yet,' Weirs responds, 'It's you, isn't it? Doing something to their minds--to all our minds--to keep us disciplined and in high morale. That's why you look so haggard.'

'The governor is still in the city,' Quana says, 'but he is preparing to escape in a private spacecraft. He must be tried for crimes against the Republic. I am telepathically relaying all your orders so we may reach him in time. And do not concern yourself with my health, for my ally is the Fo...' Quana stops, covering her eyes with a hand.

'What's wrong?' Weirs asks.

'Halt your troops Lieutenant. I sense...'
Suddenly a loud blast and the flash of a bright blue beam. An ambush! Weirs' chest explodes, and his body spins into an alley. Quana's amber-bladed lightsaber is in her hand, ignited, in time to deflect a second blast aimed at her. In the next second, dozens of blue and red blaster bolts intersect the smoky streets, ionizing the air and sending chunks of formex flying with each near miss. The FINAL BATTLE FOR MANDALORE BEGINS!" (Challenge, p. 68)

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Summary by Genghis12:

As the end of the Old Republic nears, a series of skirmishes will rage across the galaxy. These skirmishes were known as the Clone Wars. While the Republic seeks to quell the firestorm raging across the galaxy, others have more insidious goals in mind.

It is against the backdrop of this galactic chaos that Governor Vrox of Mandalore, a secret supporter of Palpatine, has elevated himself to a virtual dictator of his planet. However, being fiercely planetaristic he has decided to forgo taxing his own people to feed his greed and instead raid neighboring star systems. It is a plan founded in the very roots of the Mandalorian culture, dating back some 4,000 years earlier. Then, the Mandalorians were the fierce, the proud... the unbeatable. The masked warrior clans of Mandalore terrorized and decimated the Empress Teta systems with their deadly technology and their exceptional combat prowess. History was doomed to repeat itself.

Vrox sent his small, yet potent forces to raid the neighboring star systems. In addition, the Republic also suspected Vrox of the illegal manufacturing of War Droids - weapons which the Republic had since regulated after the Battle for Naboo.

To combat the expansionism of the Mandalorians, the Republic Senate dispatched a contingent of Republican Army soldiers and Jedi Knights to the Mandalore system in an attempt to restore order there. However, unknown events caused the mission to become deadly. The Republican forces managed to knock out Mandalore's planetary defenses and began a ground assult on the planet below. They chose a ground assult rather than planetary bombardment to minimize civillian casulties and any damage to the capital city.

Governor Vrox, however, had no such qualms.

He immediatly began a full-scale defense against the invading army--including the use of artillery strikes against any forces within city limits as the battle swung against him. These artillery batteries managed to do significant damage to the city and cause massive deaths before they were disabled by Republican forces. The Republic had nearly won the battle--the majority of the Mandalorian soldiers had been routed. Governor Vrox even was forced to rely on his contingency plan. He had fled to his fortress estate before it was

 

That would make a great comic.

 

If you think so, then let Dark Horse Comics know. Post, don't just fill out the poll.

Leto...
Thanks, I had long since forgotten where I had easy access to a copy of that.

 

so... Boba Fett survived this one? lucky little kid... anyone tried applying the continuity spackle to this one?

 

Continuity spackle's not required for this one. It all fits and there's no continuity problems.

 

so Palpatine would allow the Republic to attack one of his own secret supporters? possible, given that palpatine is one to manipulate the situation to his own ends.

is it mentioned anywhere else that a young Boba Fett went to Mandalore (pick up some more armor)? we can see why he would fight against the jedi...

any particular reason that the republic army used in this fight should or should not be clonetroopers, given that they are the best soldier units the republic has, especially going against mandalorian supercommandos, but possibly would their heritage be used against them?

 

Not a prob, Genghis.

There was a copy archived over in the Clone Wars Dossier thread, which I figured most in here'd appreciate seeing once again.

And yes...let Randy, Jeremy, and the other poobahs know of your interest. People don't say nothin', it don't get made.

(Moratorium on posting story-ideas to them in the forums, though, please...infringement liability's killed more than one worthwhile project at the eleventh hour in the past. Hate to see this one join those.)

 

Maybe the governor was told by Sidious to make the clans of Mandalore attack the galaxy. Though from what I hear the Mandalorians didn't like the governor very much.

 

I got one question though. The playing feild for the final battle is 16 republic vs 10 Mandalorian. The special force group of super commandoes is 212.

Where were the rest of the super commandoes?

 

they could have been killed off prior to this battle... remember, this is the final battle of mandalore... if you want to reconcile the 212 figure, it can be suggested that they died earlier in the fighting on Mandalore, and this smaller showdown is of the survivors of both armies.

 

Unfortunately, LFL has gone on to say over at starwars.com forums, that the Challenge Magazine articles are not officially endorsed/produced LFL products. The magazine only received permission to use certain star wars copyrighted/trademarked material, however the new material/characters/article that the magazine created belong to the idependent magazine itself, rather than LFL. So they fall more into the realm of professional fanfic, rather than something official...

 

Acording to Randy who knows the LFL people well. Everything is continuity. That's the way LFL wanted it.

Anyway the Battle of Mandalore still happened as marvel shows us. Which is continuity.

 

Well...

1. Randy is not an LFL continuity editor. He is one that wishes a lot of things are not continuity. He was only talking about LFL produced products that have LFL continuity editors in charge of them. He was not referring to any stories that come out of unofficial non-licensed sources.

2. The editors at LFL on the other hand each have their own continuity interpretations.

a. Sometimes an event occurs exactly as you have seen it in an "official" story within the history of the universe.

b. sometimes the event is an event that didn't actually happen but is a legend/myth/urban legend passed down by various people in-universe.

c. Sometimes the event happened but not exactly the way shown in an "official" story. Due to historians who came later having their own interpretations based on the little knowledge that they have second-hand (accounting for multiple versions of the same story in some cases).

Editors decide which is the case for each story on an individual basis. According to Leland Chee(one of the continuity editors) the current policy for the "battle of mandalore" is option "b". In which case he claims that there was no battle of mandalore, and that Fenn Shysa never actually took part in it (that it was all just a tall tale that Shysa came up with).

IMO, b. and c. seem to be copout excuses, to try to cover up the fact that the editors can't keep a "strict" continuity, and are losing their ability to avoid contradictions from cropping up... I.E. in some cases, if they already showed/told a story, then there is no reason to reinvision the story again, thus contradictions can be avoided.

 

that is so stupid. Fenn would never make something like that up.

 

I agree... Here's hoping someone shoots the current policy down by showing that the story can exist as an event that really occured, with something that can finally lock the marvel story into place into history. Insider would be a good source for a short story, imo. Especially since its mostly doing clone wars stories at the moment...

It seems the only reason they have the current policy is because they seem to think that having a young Boba Fett joining the mandalorians, and fighting to protect Mandalore to be unrealistic (I can't understand their reasoning really)...

On a related note, LFL's fix about Wedge telling a tall tale about Wes Janson about him dieing at hoth, seems rather out of character for Wedge as well (at least that fix is opened ended enough for a variety of possibilities to have actually occurred, and it allows the story to be better refrenced in the future)...

 

Just to throw a neutron into the atomic furnace . . .

There's a brief but heated conversation between Fett and Leia in Bounty Hunter Tales, I think. Leia is taken to Fett's room in the Hutt's palace. Leia swears one of them will die if he touches her; he assures her he won't. After some dialogue, Fett reflects that it was the longest conversation he's had either in years or his whole life, can't remember which.

My point is, that if he'd been part of Mandalore's boys, he'd have to have been more talkative, and in a Gamorrean's eye, that'd have interferred with previous continuity.

Admit it: such farfetched absurdity, though true in a way, is hilarious!

 

Well the clone wars occured something like 26 years before ROTJ, or so, so that the use of "years" would not be an absurd problem.

Also he wasn't a talkitive one in shysa's flashback in the marvel comic though, so not really any problem there had it occured within a year of the ROTJ story...

However the pre-anh "then" period in BHW(something like 6-7 years before ROTJ), boba had had a few long conversations... 6-7 years, is "years"... He even admits that he sometimes has longer conversations when there needs to be, in the "now" sections...

There was also a couple of pre-esb stories where boba fett had a few "long" to "decent" length conversations as well (in the comics, Han Solo trilogy, and what not)... Which would also be "years" before ROTJ... So...

However even if that didn't work, obviously boba fett was using "hyperbole", hyperbole is not an "absurd contradiction", it is infact natural exaggeration used in natural human communication (although he is a clone, last I checked boba is still quite human)...

 

Well, in the video game STAR WARS: KNIGHTS OF THE OLD REPUBLIC for the X-box, there is a lot more refered to with the Mandalore Warriors and the war the Mandalores launched against the Galactic Republic circa 3956 years before Battle of Yavin IV.

 

Maybe Fenn is hallucinating?

 

I think it would be interesting, if the story is ever done, how it would fit with what we know about Mandalorians from Open Seasons.

Any ideas Genghis/Anyone?

 

I'd prefer seeing Revan & Malak's war against the real Mandalorians of 4000 years before, thanks