The Border Crisis

This is in my opinion, one of the most pressing problems in our nation today and the frontline of our Homeland Security department's defense of our nation.

Many people have their own solutions for the epidemic of not only illegal immigrants but potential foreign terrorists.

It's quite a daunting task considering how vast our borders actually are and the traffic that moves in and out of them.

My view on how to deal with it borrows a few ideas and some are original thoughts of my own.

I believe Pat Buchanan -- who has a reputation of being a radical -- has some valid thoughts on the solution.

It entails freezing all new citizen applications for two years to allow aqeduate time to re-organize and re-structure the borders.

Only potential citizens that have already been patiently waiting to be addmitted as legal members of the United States would be allowed to join at this time.

An idea Bill O'Reilly had that I thought was wise as well is to place our military on the borders.

This would specifically be the National Guard as well as yet deployed members of the Army.

Maybe if we stopped acting like the global police this would seem more feasable.

We need to have greater incentives for Border Patrol employment and hire a lot more people.

I think punishment should be a lot more severe for illegals instead of simply being deported.

If we have satellites that can read the liscense plate number on a car how can we not have a lot more effective survelliance in areas where the Border Patrol isn't sweeping?

<[-]> Saber

 

And while we're at it, why not turn America into a police state?

 

Having a tight control of our borders entails Marshall law? I suppose ensuring are borders aren't weak is a lot better than seeing a mushroom cloud rise over 5th avenue from a suitcase bomb.

<[-]> Saber

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't all the Sept 11th hijackers enter the US legally?

 

Yes, but remember al-Qaeda is a highly sophisticated, very adept group.

I do think that we need to significantly tighten up the borders and order modes of entry, though. I'm not sure about freezing citizen appilcations, though.

 

My worry would be that focusing the military and intelligence resources on humdrum border countrol would actively enable the high sophisticated, advanced factions (ie those who are more likely have access to nuclear or chemical weapons...) to pass through borders legally and without challenge

 

The sophisticated take advantadge of weak points and blind spots, ignoring the border and hoping they try and enter through legal means is just the kind of advantadge they'd use, correct?

 

That makes no sense, farraday

But if you're saying that we're doomed if we do, doomed if we don't, then yeah. I agree to a point.

 

Having a tight control of our borders entails Marshall law?

Who is Marshall and what is his law? I hope it's not like Murphy's law.

 

I'm saying only fortifying and examining legal entry into your country to stop your enemies from making it in will only encourage them to find sublegal methods.

Defending based on how you hope they will attack ends up with you being beaten like a rented redheaded drum.

 

I have the perfect solution to the border problem. I've said it before and I'll say it again.

Step 1: Capture and deport as many illigal immigrants as possible

Step 2: Give full rights and privlages to any illigals remaining, and to any who make it into the country after we

Step 3: Build an 80 foot wall armed with automatic Machine guns, rabid watch dogs, 6 inch barbed wire and a mile and a half of land mines around the entire perimiter of the US.

What? It solves every problem you have!

 

Any solution that depends on landmines is hardly a solution.

 

>>>> This is in my opinion, one of the most pressing problems in our nation today and the frontline of our Homeland Security department's defence of our nation...

... I think punishment should be a lot more severe for illegals instead of simply being deported. <<<<

And in my opinion, lets punish anybody who enters another country illegally, right. Why stop at the United States?

Lets punish those who enter Australia illegally.

Lets severely punish those who enter the England without a visa.

Lets really hurt and punish those who enter, lets see now, which country can I pick???

Lets go for IRAK. Why not Irak. Lets punish those who entered Irak illegally. Hey, you know... it happens to be the United States.

Now, how should we punish them...

Lets put them in an isolated jail off the coast of Cuba. Hey, how come Cuba and what would the Cubans say?

Doesn't Guantanamo Bay belong to the Cubans? How did the United States get hold of this land?

Was it illegally?

Mate! your argument is flawed from the very begining. Wake-up to yourself.

 

And in my opinion, lets punish anybody who enters another country illegally, right. Why stop at the United States?

Lets punish those who enter Australia illegally.

Lets severely punish those who enter the England without a visa.

Good idea! Lets.

Lets really hurt and punish those who enter, lets see now, which country can I pick???

Back up. Where did she say hurt? There is a diffrence between 'punish' and 'hurt'. Lets talk about deporting, jail time, and fines. All of which are indeed punishment. Not 'hurt'

Lets go for IRAK. Why not Irak. Lets punish those who entered Irak illegally. Hey, you know... it happens to be the United States.

Psst. Its spelled Iraq.

Also: Straw Man. Declaring war is a completely diffrent circumstance. We are talking about the government of a coountry deporting individuals who came in illigaly, not matters of politics and war.

Now, how should we punish them...

Lets put them in an isolated jail off the coast of Cuba. Hey, how come Cuba and what would the Cubans say?

Doesn't Guantanamo Bay belong to the Cubans? How did the United States get hold of this land?

Another Straw Man. It can be argued that we brought the prisoners there, thus it is legal.

Was it illegally?

Mate! your argument is flawed from the very begining. Wake-up to yourself.

Your argument is even more flawed. Wake-up to yourself.

 

Well, I can't speek for the rest of your post, but I can address this:

Doesn't Guantanamo Bay belong to the Cubans? How did the United States get hold of this land?

Was it illegally?

Actually, the US leases the land for Guantanamo from Cuba.

The first lease agreement was finalized with the old Republic of Cuba back in 1903.

The only stipulation was that the base had to remain a Naval station, except when it was modified during WWII, to allow for its use as an airstrip.

When Castro assumed power, he negoiated a new lease with the US governemt, which remains to this day.

But this has nothing to do with immigration.....

 

All the US needs to do to solve the border problem is to call up the national guard and have them boost the border patrol until they get more money and personel.

 

Except that really isn't a workable solution.

What would the Guard's role be?

Except for offical declarations of martial law, the Guard has no law enforcement powers.

The National Guard also has the dual state/federal role. They can be activated without state consent, but again that's with a declaration.

Would a Guard unit from New York be sent to New Mexico, and tasked with border patrol detail, even if the Governor of New York objected?

 

I like Master_Fwiffo's idea.

Seriously, though, he's on the right track. The best way to ensure national security is to actually make sure our borders and modes of entry are secure, rather than beating up on foreign countries abroad. If we can build up domestic defenses, we will be able to defend ourselves from ALL enemies, not just the ones we bomb into oblivion.

It's like defending your house. You do that by putting a lock on your door, not by leaving your door unlocked, going out with a shotgun, and shooting every guy you see.

We need to vigilantly guard our borders and ports of entry and make sure that those who are trying to illegally enter are caught and deported. We also need to make some kind of verification system in terms of fake ID's.

The National Guard should be put to use in national defense....

Mr44: I don't see your concern. The New York National Guard would naturally be put to use guarding New York's borders. California's NG would guard California's borders. NG's of non-border states like Kansas and Tennessee could still guard their borders to intercept illegals that make it past the borders of border states.

 

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Agreed.

 

>>>> It can be argued that we brought the prisoners there, thus it is legal. <<<<

Legal in whose eyes? The United States? Not in the eyes of Australia. Get your facts, Mister:

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/may2003/guan-m26.shtml

The United States are holding our people prisoner illegally. They cannot find a reason to charge these guys and will not release them - where is there justice here.

As for holding straws...

>>>> Declaring war is a completely diffrent circumstance. We are talking about the government of a coountry deporting individuals who came in illigaly, not matters of politics and war. <<<<

Psst it is spelt "different" and ?country? and ?illegally?, but who cares.

As for talking about politics and war... it is no wonder the United States has problem when individuals cannot see the similarities. The United States is back-pedalling when it comes to fighting terrorism - tighter border control is not the answer to the problem. It is about time someone spoke to the terrorist and asked them what exactly is pissing them off, and approach the problem from their point of view.

As for the point of view of the people of IRAQ, the presence of the United States in their country is illegal, so we can argue that it is a form of illegal immigration.

Maybe you read censored propaganda from the American media. Try getting your information from the other side of the world and see it from the point of view of the Iraqis.

>>>> Where did she say hurt? There is a diffrence between 'punish' and 'hurt' <<<<

Psst again, it is different... but who cares... from the point of view of the punished, they are hurting, whether you like it or not, they are hurting.

Try again.

 

Do you have any idea how much the economy relies on the cheap labor of illegal immigrants (not that I'm saying its a good thing)

 

Cheap labor or not, once they finish working for the day, they leave the employer's premises.