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Saga The Chosen One

Discussion in 'Star Wars Saga In-Depth' started by vacantelite, Sep 20, 2015.

  1. vacantelite

    vacantelite Jedi Youngling

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    From a certain point of view, you could argue the chose one is Obi-Wan, not Anakin.

    Agree/Disagree?
     
  2. PiettsHat

    PiettsHat Force Ghost star 4

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    I think that one could make that argument about Luke, but I'm struggling to see how it applies to Obi-Wan.

    The Chosen One prophecy said that they would destroy the Sith and bring balance to the Force.

    When Obi-Wan died, the Sith were still running around and the Force certainly wasn't in balance.

    That's not to say that Obi-Wan didn't play an important part -- he did. But I don't see how he fits the "requirements" of the prophecy.
     
  3. vacantelite

    vacantelite Jedi Youngling

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    Obi-Wan was important even after he died. He guided Luke, which ultimately led to Darth Vader throwing the Emperor down the tube. Also in the light saber battle in Episode 3, Obi-Wan gets the higher ground and defeats Anakin - luck, but isn't luck really the Force?

    I don't agree you can make that argument about Luke.

    Also Obi-Wan makes sure Luke and Leah are cared for after Padme dies.

    Also if not for Obi-Wan Yoda probably would have given up on Luke.

    Also when Darth Vader 'kills' Obi Wan, there's no body left. Obi-Wan has literally transformed himself into a being of true Force.
     
  4. Davak24

    Davak24 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Disagree

    Obi is important, but Ani has the destiny.
     
  5. thejeditraitor

    thejeditraitor Chosen One star 6

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    anakin. no one else. no debate.
     
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  6. vacantelite

    vacantelite Jedi Youngling

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    ok in all honesty i see them both as the Chosen One... I'm not sure whether or not that fits canon though.
     
  7. thejeditraitor

    thejeditraitor Chosen One star 6

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    luke didn't destroy the sith anakin did.
     
  8. SateleNovelist11

    SateleNovelist11 Force Ghost star 6

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    Anakin is the Chosen One. I can see why the case can be made about Luke, since he indirectly inspired Anakin to do the right thing, and Luke is the first of the new Jedi and the leader of the new Jedi Order. But Anakin destroying Sidious and himself (or at least causing Sidious's first death) turned the tables and gave the Jedi and Sith an equal playing field thereafter.

    Not sure why Obi-Wan could be deemed the Chosen One. He was a great Jedi. But Anakin was both Jedi and Sith in a way that I would argue that figures like Revan and Kreia were not.
     
  9. vacantelite

    vacantelite Jedi Youngling

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    you do realize i mean obi-wan and anakin, right? also if not for anakin's feelings towards his son, would he have destroyed the sith? (NOT saying luke is the chosen one).

    just before darth vader strikes down obi-wan, obi-wan says 'strike me down, and i will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.'
     
  10. Alexrd

    Alexrd Chosen One star 6

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    So...?
     
  11. vacantelite

    vacantelite Jedi Youngling

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    so he does become more powerful, arguably more powerful than Darth Vader.

    I mean it allows him to explain to Luke how to destroy Death Star number 1!
     
  12. Alexrd

    Alexrd Chosen One star 6

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    What does that have to do with being the Chosen One?
     
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  13. vacantelite

    vacantelite Jedi Youngling

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    Surely the Chosen One is the most powerful one?
     
  14. darkspine10

    darkspine10 Chosen One star 8

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    Both Yoda and Anakin also Force Ghost at the end though.
     
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  15. vacantelite

    vacantelite Jedi Youngling

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    Yeah I know. But Obi-Wan was the first to Force Ghost (in the films, anyway). And like I said, I think if you look at it as a whole, Obi-Wan and Anakin balance each other out. They're a bit like yin and yang.
     
  16. LZM65

    LZM65 Jedi Knight star 4

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    Anakin is the Chosen One. And Qui-Gon Jinn was the first to become a Force Ghost. Actually, the title of "Chosen One" is not determined by who becomes a force ghost first.

    I have two questions. Is it more palatable to fans if "the Chosen One" is someone who is viewed as morally pure? Is that what fans want?
     
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  17. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    "The first film starts with the last age of the Republic; which is it's getting tired, old, it's getting corrupt. There's the rise of the Sith, who are now becoming a force, and in the backdrop of this you have Anakin Skywalker: a young boy who's destined to be a very significant player in bringing balance back to the Force and the Republic.

    In the second film, we get into more of that turmoil. It's the beginning of the Clone Wars, it's the beginning of the end of democracy in the Republic, sorta the beginning of the end of the Republic, and it's Anakin Skyalker beginning to deal with some of his more intense emotions of anger, hatred, sense of loss, possessiveness, jealousy, and the other things he's coping with.

    Then we will get to the 3rd film, where he is seduced to the dark side, which brings up to films four, five, and six, where Anakin's offspring redeem him & allow him to fulfill the prophecy where he brings balance to the Force by doing away with the Sith and getting rid of evil in the universe."

    --George Lucas, The Star Wars Trilogy VHS Boxset 2000.


    "The thing of it is: The prophecy was right. Anakin was the chosen one, and he does bring balance to the Force. He takes the one ounce of good still left in him and destroys the Emperor out of compassion for his son."

    --George Lucas, The Making Of Revenge Of The Sith; page 221

    "I think it is obvious that [Qui-Gon] was wrong in Episode I and made a dangerous decision, but ultimately this decision may be correct. The “phantom menace” refers to the force of the dark side of the universe. Anakin will be taken over by dark forces which in turn destroy the balance of the Galaxy, but the individual who kills the Emperor is Darth Vader—also Anakin. The tale meanders and both the prediction and Qui-Gon are correct—Anakin is the chosen one, and he did bring peace at last with his own sacrifice. Luke couldn't kill the Emperor himself, but he could make Anakin reflect on his life and kill the Emperor."

    --George Lucas, Cut Magazine interview, 1999.
     
  18. Alexrd

    Alexrd Chosen One star 6

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    No. He had the potential to be.

    He was the first one (with the knowledge) to be killed. That doesn't make him the Chosen One. He didn't destroy the Sith nor did he bring balance to the Force. Anakin did. He's the Chosen One.
     
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  19. MeBeJedi

    MeBeJedi Force Ghost star 6

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    He becomes more powerful....doesn't mean he's the most powerful one. He still needed Luke to confront Vader. "You were our only hope."
     
  20. vacantelite

    vacantelite Jedi Youngling

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    well, if George Lucas said it, I guess that settles it. I think I had a pretty good run though, and hopefully people found my theory interesting. :)
     
  21. Poor Greedo

    Poor Greedo Jedi Master star 2

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    One could argue Palpatine. Before him the Light side dominated for a thousand years.
     
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  22. thejeditraitor

    thejeditraitor Chosen One star 6

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  23. mes520

    mes520 Jedi Master star 4

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    It's now Legends, but the Sith have their own prophesied one, called the Sith'ari. Sidious, Vader, and many if not all Sith believed themselves to be the Sith'ari.
     
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  24. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Both sides were in balance to each other. Good and evil is not confined to the Jedi and the Sith. Good and evil exists in everyone. What Palpatine did was push the Force out of balance. Anakin destroys the Sith, restoring the balance of good and evil.
     
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  25. Alexrd

    Alexrd Chosen One star 6

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    There's no "light side domination". That's an oxymoron. The light side doesn't seek domination.