Full Series The Clone Wars: Episode 410: Carnage of Krell Discussion Thread

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"Our actions define our legacy."

With two of his men facing execution for disobeying orders, Captain Rex must confront his overly aggressive commander, General Krell. Risking charges of mutiny, Rex must make a dark choice as the true face of the enemy emerges.

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REX FACES A DARK CHOICE

 

THIS IS WHERE THE FUN BEGINS

 

I hope he dies juggling those quadruple blades before he can shove more *bleep* at the clones.

 

Wonder what the Deus Ex Machina will turn out to be.

 

I really hope this turns into something that Cody and Obi-wan get involved with..

..and I demand Rex and Cody discussing what happened at the end! Where is their friendship >:U

 

Fives executes Krell.

 

Oh that would be wonderful

 

I dunno, I kinda think there will be a falling out in the future between Rex and Cody. I hope Obi-wan and Cody get involved here myself. More fuel on the fire please. I'm interested in hearing what they thought about the CIS supply ship seeming to randomly explode looking through those binocular things.

 

I don't see Obi-Wan and/or Anakin getting involved in this finale at all. I see Rex and Fives putting Krell down like the rabid dog that he is. It will be like a mini-precursor to Order 66; and the news of clones having to kill off a power-mad, crazed Jedi General will spread throughout the clone ranks. This will be Palpatine's way of sowing distrust between the clones and their Jedi leaders. Then when Order 66 comes about, it won't be such a "surprise" command.

 

IMO the most likely end to this arc is Anakin stepping out of a gunship and fighting Krell, which is possible the most literal example of Deus Ex Machina I have ever heard of.

 

I think it'll be Rex and possibly Fives that somehow take Krell down myself because that's just how things go with TCW, that's whose gotta take down the monster and I'm cool with that this time. But I expect some kind of involvement with Obi-wan and Cody. Really I don't think Rex and Fives will kill Krell themselves, I think its more likely they'll outsmart and capture him.

 

After last week's snoozefest, I'm glad I'm skipping this one.

 

Please tell me that image mean's he's just gone to the Dark Side, not to Dooku...

 

Oh you'll cave and you know it.

 

I certainly won't be watching it over the weekend.

 

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"It is unavoidable. It is your destiny."



*Yes, I realize the pic isn't correct. I don't care.

 

"I've been looking forward to this."

 

If nothing else, I just love how there's plenty to speculate about the ending to this arc. We're not sure who lives or dies, who fights who, in what position characters like Rex end up by the time this is done. Sure, many of our questions will remain unanswered, and many of our wishes unfulfilled, as they always do, but it's just great that we're so invested in this, and that it seems quite open-ended.

 

Yup yup.

Who thinks Fives will live? I'm really not so sure.

Krell... maybe he's simply captured. I think he dies though.

 

I used to think Fives was a gonna but I'm cautiously optimistic and I'll be rooting for him. I think Jesse is more likely to bite the big one.

 

Damn Krell you scary!



Seriously, he is more menacing in that shot than all the show's CIS villains put together.

 

Nope. Fives - the most independent, rebellious dissident so far - already addressed that issue: "[Krell] is not acting like the other Jedi!"

If TCW was going to drop even a hint of anti-Jedi sentiment among the clones, Umbara was the arc to do it. Instead, the clones themselves are drawing a distinction between the good Jedi they are accustomed to, and the bad Jedi that is Pong Krell. They could have left the door open, by restricting the clones' remarks to Krell himself, but by contrasting him with other Jedi, TCW has made it as clear as could be that the relationship between the clones and the Jedi is still one of mutual respect and trust. Umbara hasn't changed that status quo at all, and I suspect it will remain unchanged till Order 66, which will put the clones' sense of morality, duty and honor to the ultimate test.

 

"One bad apple spoils the barrel." That should be the fortune cookie for this episode.
I'm saying that we've not seen any instance in which clones had to deal with a bad Jedi before. If this is the first time they've had to deal with one, then Krell is the seed that is planted to sow further distrust. I'm not saying the clones will instantly become suspicious of all the Jedi due to Pong Krell, but certainly questions will begin to arise.

 

I agree in principle, but TCW isn't that subtle, IMHO. If they had a plan to show anti-Jedi sentiment rising among the clones in the future, they would have started the shift here - it's already rare we get such a close look at the clones specifically, and have a Jedi that's so kriffing easy to antagonize. I just can't see them missing such an obvious opportunity to begin making that shift.

Also, if you think about it, the dilemma the clones are in has nothing to do with the Jedi specifically - it has everything to do with deciding between duty/obedience, and morality/honor. Over and over again, the question comes down to orders. Listen to Fives again: "[Going against this order is] the right thing to do."

And again, more specifically: "I can't just 'follow orders' when I know they're wrong!"

I still think the ultimate question lands on the other side of Order 66 - are the clones capable of realizing that an order is wrong, and then follow through and defy it. Even if it means death (Hardcase), even if it means being executed by their own brothers, as what may be the case for Fives and Jesse.

This is obviously speculation, but I think it's worth noting that both of those fates would apply to any clone who disobeys Order 66, as well.

 

I can definitely see the general idea behind Order 66 changing.
Going from just one of the contingency orders to being actually ingrained so it's automatic for most, rather than a conscious choice.
Especially as Palpatine was all messed up when he gave the order, how would they know for sure that is the Chancellor.