The Clone With No Name: Revan, Dantooine, and the KotOR storyline...

Now I've never played the KotOR games, but I understand that:

(a.) the player-character in KotOR I is supposedly the amnesiac ex-tyrant Revan, reprogrammed by the Jedi Council, then based at the Enclave on Dantooine
(b.) some of the backstory details we're told in KotOR II don't mesh perfectly with what Revan is told in KotOR I by the companions who're, let's be frank, manipulating him with full knowledge of his real identity.

There's stuff we're not being told here...

Now I'm going to crossbreed this with a couple of very random things: the old kids' novel Galaxy of Fear 6: Clones! (1998) has the Empire reactivating a secret Jedi cloning facility hidden under the ruins of the Dantooine Enclave; and the story of the insane Mandalorian clone Alpha-Ø2 has him somehow accessing Jango Fett's memories through his DNA (which I've linked elsewhere to)...

So in KotOR, we have an amnesiac Revan, remade on Dantooine, and gradually recovering his memories...

... or do we, in fact, have a clone, created by the Jedi on Dantooine, accessing his template's memories through the Force?

- The Imperial Ewok

 

No.

 

So sure, are you?

- The Imperial Ewok

 

It fits. But the only issue I can see is the bond between Bastila and Revan - which, was supposedly born when she healed him.

Or can the Clone DNA thing still keep that intact?

 

Its been a while, but I thought that the bond was formed when Bastila defeated Revan?

And also, until near the end of the game when the Admiral spills the beans, I'm pretty sure that only Bastila and Jolee knew that the player was actually Revan.

 

Yeah, Bastilla knows, and Jolee senses it, but the rest are in the dark.

 

The bond is formed when Malak fires on Revan, and Bastila has to use the Force to keep him alive.

 

well, nice.. I still believe the official explanation, though I enjoy this retcon!

maybe Jorus Caboth retired after the jedi purge to dantooine and joruus was born? vader huntet him but brought joruus back. and jorus is still out there.. though the official story goes different.

does this mean there are some rebel clones out there? they had their base on dantooine! leia clones anyone? would be nice to include the cloning facility into the galaxies dantooine world so that thousands of accidently cloned player characters plague the world. or did the yuuzhan vong clone their voxyn there after having taken dantooine early in the war? discuss!

 

"(b.) some of the backstory details we're told in KotOR II don't mesh perfectly with what Revan is told in KotOR I by the companions who're, let's be frank, manipulating him with full knowledge of his real identity."

Now how do you figure that? We're told the exact same story about Revan's actions in KOTOR 2 as we are in KOTOR.

When Malak fired on Revan's ship, Revan's mind was destroyed and he nearly died, so the Jedi Council reprogrammed his mind with a new set of memories. He's the same and only Revan there was.

 

Darn, I was hoping this was somehow going to connect the ancient Jedi's cloning experiments on Dantooine with the fact that all of the Jedi Malak has in stasis on the Star Forge are identical.

 

Blithe, I_G_T_L: does it matter how the bond was created? It could have been constructed by the Jedi - or alternatively, since a clone draws on the same Force energy, anyone bonded with the original would share some sort of bond with a clone...

And - any takers for "Bastillla really is Vima, after all"?

JMN: um, you don't think people would, um, recognize him? TK-47 for one certainly should!

CH: Glad you enjoyed it!! And yes, the specimins created were clones of Rebels... no Leia that I saw, though... but technically, no reason why not...

As to the fate of the facility, it's not at all clear - but the (non-canon ) Tales story Lando's Commandos has slightly shady elements of the NR military (Lando, and a senior officer who might be Drayson) pull something that sounds very like the Sith Infiltrator out of a "museum" on Dantooine after Endor... can we say, "Mount Tantiss-style Imperial storehouse"...?

I'd like to think so!!

EH_Pilot: of course there's an "official" account. I'm thinking of things like the HK-47 backstory and the timing of the Star Forge journey and Malachor V...

Esplin: ohh? See, I've not played the game, so I didn't know that connection was there to make... but, you just did!!

Gotta love lazy game-graphics...

- The Imperial Ewok

 

no it's not a clone. but i would love to see some books based on this story line.

 

yeah, I like the idea about the storehouse! don´t forget McEwok, that in the clone wars series dantooine was attacked and defended by the GAR and Mace Windu. what did the separatists want there? the store house? the secret cloning facility? the former jedi ruins?

maybe some time earlier in the clone wars dantooine was separatist controled and the GAR took it before the clone wars series, but the seppies wanted it back but failed. and that´s how the Dooku clone of the Clone Wars game that anakin had to kill was born.. cloned when dooku was accidently in the cloning ruins. but he had use for the clone and kept him. thoughts?

please collect all dantooine infos if possible, I am working on an essay about the planet, locations and everything, tying dantooine through all eras together. retconning things if possible. your ideas started my mind, and now it is running loose!

 

I think that was more closely linked to expediency on the part of the programmers.

Warrior_of_Mandalore Strikes Again!

 

I would like to start by saying that the backstory for the Kotor II game is loaded with rancor poodoo. Almost all the Jedi have been wiped out in the space of five years? Kinda makes Palpatine's Purge a little less impactful. As for the clone theory. That's generally the most common retcon cop-out. I really think a lot of the stuff in the KOTOR series should be classified as Infities.

 

To be fair, Palpatine had 10,000 Jedi to kill, whereas there were probably about 200 around at the time of KOTOR 2. Though that said, I didn't like the way they were wiped out randomly, and Nihilus and Sion were the worst ideas for villains ever. Treya was the only interesting dark lord, even if it was a bit predictable that Kreia was a wee bit evil. KOTORs story was so much better than KOTOR 2's it was quite depressing

 

yes i agree that KOTOR was the best one, as story wise go. but KOTOR 2 was a better game play. anyway i was still like to see a book about the time period

 

KOTOR 2? Better gameplay? There was hardly any difference. A few new Force Powers i never used, a few new weapons I never used, a few new lightsaber upgrades, and the ability to magically convert medpacks into destructive weapons using only a workbench, a paperclip, and a roll of sellotape

 

exactly new things, new things to play with = better gameplay.
not taking anything from the first one. but the first one was alittle strange with the control's and took a little getting used too. and i guess by the time of KOTOR 2 i was used to it

 

Actually, there were thousands of Jedi during the time that the KOTOR games take place. It says so in TOTJ, which takes place fifty years before. Even with all the wars being fought, there still would have been more than a couple hundred left. Besides, they would be taking in new Jedi at a higher rate, since they didn't have any age limits on Jedi training in those days.

 

Clones..... Is that why all the unnamed npc aliens sound the same?

 

Well, this brings to mind a certain quote from ROTJ. You all might remember Obi-Wan citing this now often-used explanation. "What I told you was true, from a certain point of view."

As for backstory details in KOTOR II, your source on what KOTOR II's backstory includes must have neglected to tell you that what the Exile sees in the cave on Korriban (I'm assuming that's where much of this information is based) is seen from the POV of another amnesiac, whose memories of the Mandalorian Wars are hazy at best. Plus, this is all seen in a form that's about as accurate as Luke slicing off Vader's head to reveal himself under the mask in ESB.

The only other spots I can think of where one would obtain details of Revan's history would be from Kreia, who aside from *SPOILER* being the horribly evil Sith Lord *END SPOILER*, I've never gotten enough Influence with to have her tell me anything. The best I've gotten from her is that she was once one of Revan's masters before he/she ditched the Jedi Order to go fight in the Mandalorian War.

As for the purge in between KOTOR I and II, and the purge in ROTS, the only real debate is in which one was less thourough. Just look at who all survived Palpatine's purge: Vima, Luke, Leia, Obi Wan, Yoda, Ikrit, I don't even know who all else.

KOTOR's only purge survivors (thus far) are: Exile, Revan, Atris, Kreia (if she even counts) and the four masters you have to hunt down (can't for the life of me remember their names). Most of the rest just suffered the sad fate of "wrong place, wrong time" being on Visas' homeworld (which for the record was a MIraluka colony, not the homeworld, hence they are not totally extinct)