Lit The First Order of Legends

I do headcanon that there's a DPRK-style First Order in Legends that's been led by successive Snoke clones, located around Exegol, Rhand and Dark Space. Eventually ends up absorbed by One Sith remnants. There were two contingencies, Palpatine shelved Exegol and used Byss, but Rax and Sloane's forces were still a thing and they set up the First Order.

You could fit in in an ersatz-Sequel story that's more small-scale, post-FOTJ. Rogue Squadron Novice Poe Dameron teams up with ISB Agent Finn to take on the latest Snoke clone. I was gonna say no Kylo Ren, but its possible that along with those other clones that Jaden found that there was a Jaacen lying around that was recruited by Snoke. No Starkiller Base, but there is a terrorist attack on Hosnian Prime that takes out Wynn Dorvan and alerts the Galaxy to the existence of the DPRK-ish First Order.

 

I like the idea that Palpatine's clones also kinda switch personality similar to VItiate, so when Palpatine died at Endor, he really DID die. The initial suave politician, secret Baneite Sith Lord died. DE Palpatine was a reaction that, throwing all subtlety out the window. Then Exegol Palpatine, being surrounded by Sith cultists sort of grew into a new role as a Sith leader.

 

Remember that in Darksaber we didn't get the names of all of the Deep Core Warlords or their representatives but we did get some of their titles. One of them was Supreme Leader...

 

I love everything about this.

 

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“From a secret Imperial Citadel on the planet Byss, in the very heart of the galaxy, Amedda diligently outlined preparations necessary for his New Order for the next thousand years, the next 10,000 years… and beyond.”

 

Vitiate Sith Empire is similar to the First Order in Legends since they hide in Dromund Kaas similar with the First Order/Sith Eternal in the Unknown Regions and Exegol Dromund Kaas was in the Unknown Regions too and Vitiate Sith Empire nearly destroyed the Old Republic i think Vitiate Sith Empire is more similar to the Sith Eternal

Another one was the Fel Empire created by Imperial Remnants i think the Fel Empire is more similar to the First Order but was created much later in time than the First Order Gilad Pellaeon helped and inspired the creation of the Fel Empire in Legends maybe something similar will happen in Disney Canon with the First Order

 

If Wookieepedia is to be believed Vandron was apparently dead or otherwise out of power by the time of the Eye of Palpatine incident, since the new head of House Vandron was a "Theala Vandron Jr." at that point; I'd assume she's his daughter since Theala Sr. was his wife.

 

Perhaps they end up joining the Felpire alongside the Empire of the Hand (who fought them in the Unknown Regions and prevented ST series events from taking place in legends) and contribute to the Moffs being more militaristic and willing to work with the Sith against the Federation.

 

I do like the idea of the Empire aggressively annexing the First Order. This is the same remnant that killed thirteen warlords. What's one more?

 

I like it. We never knew Mas Amedda’s ultimate fate in legends beyond Byss. I wonder if he had a similar fate in canon ?! Anyway, this is a good headcanon.

 

This makes me wonder if Mas Amedda / Darth Wyyrlok was pro or anti Palpatine in the end.

He was his voice and coconspirator for so long, could easily have become a liability or danger to the Emperor but never acted against him. Was he controled by Palpatine or willingly, as it seems, serving him? We are supposed to believe the latter, but where do we have his own pov to confirm this?

And post ROTJ without Palpatine we do not have many Mas Amedda appearances in OneCanon or both canons, but it seems he is a) not allying with any ursurpers and warlords when governing Coruscant and accepting NR terms, yet he is believed to be a Dark Empire supporter and in the know about Byss. Thus against Warlordism because it went against the actual Contingency then and Palpatines return plans?

Now post Dark Empire, would Amedda be more open to work with Warlords re-forming the Empire once more, or rather stay separate and wait for another Dark Empire, a Second Imperium imho, along with the Shadow Academy and High Procurator Hethir's attempts earlier already?

While maybe not fond of Lumiya and compatriots manipulations of Palpatines clones, Amedda may or may not have liked the Crimson Empire. At least up until he figured out its ties to Lumiya via Carnor Jax etc. In general it is interesting and fun to consider how the Crimson Empire started out as different from the Dark Empire in many aspects, yet ultimately got folded into the Second Imperium with Royal Guards finding a new purpose and the Shadow Academy as well as Hethirs Remnant element being way more Alien friendly than any humanocentric warlord or former Empire had been. So I wonder if Amedda was maybe involved in bringing the "useful" elements of the Crimson Empire into the Second Imperium he and Hethir had going before YJK already.

And if the OneSith kinda started with the Second Imperium, too, and a potential Palpatine/WhiteEyes resurrection in spe again, then Krayt either ursurped their leader role, or was just a stand-in for White Eyes, the true power behind the throne.

Now, if that means White Eyes is Palpatine returning in the ST made fitteable to Legends (OneCanon) and afterwards without WhiteEyes Krayt takes full control along with Amedda/Wyyrlok, or if WhiteEyes is still around in the Legacy comics era and any previous ST Palpatine return was just another clone or proxy... well then with Krayts comic death, someone else might emerge to continue. Another WhiteEyes return post Krayt in the Legacy future?

PS: I also entertain the thought that Krayt was a fan of Darth Maul (nonhuman Sith over human ones) and with Palpatine discarding Maul, Amedda may have had a hand in bringing Maul back for the Legacy Maul game over bringing WhiteEyes back.

PS2: And that does not disprove yet my other potential headcanon that Darth Wyyrlok aka Mas Amedda is holding the spirit of Plagueis within himself. First to not be taken over but get his knowledge and power, second if ever failing to contain him, to serve Palpatine as a "Snoke"-ish proxy and last but not least to outlive Palpatine and return after him, bidding his time while Palpatine did all his dirty work.

PS3: The First Order of Legends OneCanon may very well be the post-DE Dark Empire folks surviving into Hethir's Second Imperium that the public only knew as a small terrorist group, whereas it was a fullblown Imperial Remnant with most of its assets hidden well, much like the canon First Order/Centrists, with some of them joining the NR Senate in The New Rebellion actually to work from within and later, during the NJO that would kill the NR, secede to re-join the Imperial Remnant to protect them better than the NR would and kickstart the Forceuser undercurrent so far underdeveloped and lacking in the Imperial Remnant, aside Marek Steele who kept the Secret Order of the Empire up and running and was as an Emperors Hand still around Pellaeon, yet probably not known to be a Forceuser to them if he kept that part secret. Did Steele keept contact with Amedda? Or the OneSith?
We know Pellaeon kept contact with Daala and other rogue groups lying to the NR about these "terrorists", secretly helping/funding them even. And Daala was with the Second Imperium as per retcon.

 

While I can’t speak for ships, I always liked the idea that many surviving personnel of the Dark Empire linked up with Devian’s Reborn Empire.

 

I'm sure if you looked on Korriban, around 27 ABY, you'd find a Sith-affiliated Chagrian with a missing lethorn that matches the description.

 

Cronal was Legendsverse Snoke and Prophets of the Dark Side was Legendsverse Sith Eternal imagine if Cronal became the Leader of the Fel Empire

 

In my personal Head Canon Cronal becomes the head of the felpire through his guise as Hogrum Chalk the maternal uncle of princess Marsiah Fel. This would explain why he betrayed his emperor at the end of the legacy series.

In my head canon the Restored Empire, the Second Imperium and the Reborn Empire are all factions that were manipulated by the Sith Eternal from afar. In some way their relationships should be similar to the relationship between Hux and Gideon in canon.

Also I feel its important to point out that in the essential guide to warefare jason fry planted alot of seeds that hinted at the idea tat Dalla was affiliated with the second imperium and initially rejected the truce signed between the imperial remnant and the new republic.

Here is a fun horrible idea. Wyrlock is a strandcast from the spliced genes of state pestage who was force sensitive and mas amedda.
Also when you think about the sith eternal the prophets of the darkside and the one sith all seem to be different phases of the same organization

You hit an important nail on the head. In legends the empire of the hand goes missing around 25 aby and reapears during fate of the jedi seires to prevent Daala from taking over the imperial remnant. In my headcanon this reflects the fact that there was a shadow war between empire of the hand and the first order with which Daala may have been affiliated. Daala may have contributed to forming the first order around the same time she help found the second imperium. In fact the second imperium may have been a forunner to the first order. At some point the second imperium was supposedly wiped out by Admiral Ackbar before the Yuzhang Vong war so maybe a version of the battle of Jakku played out at this point. Daala allied with Rae Sloane and Gallius Rax faked the imperium's demise in order to retreat from the deep core into the unknown regions and to build the first order on the back of a somewhat leaderless empire of the hand. Anyway somethings went wrong. Daala was sidelined by the first order and sent to the maw where the first order attempted to kill her but killed her husband as part of Snoke's purge of the ranks. Rae Sloane was also sidelined at took over the original uncorrupted empire of the hand and started backing the rise of the fel empire (the fel empire which strikes me as lining up with the ideal that sloane desired for her first order in canon).
Also in this story Gallius Rax would be reveal as a son of palpatine or a relative of some kind. Snoke is a strandcast of Set Harth (who is true masterdmind behind Cronal) and a Grysk, The first order is therefor a combination of the hand of thrawn and the second imperium that was corrupted by the Grysk that are themselves affiliated with the lost true sith empire. The sith eternal and grysk are competing over palpatine's contigency and legacy. This basically allows for the possibility that snoke has to competing masters with whom he is affiliated. One hand he is a pawn of palpatine and on the other he serves the grysk. The grysk are affiliated with the sorcers of rhand and the sith eternal with the prophet of the darkside. The prophets seek harmony through strenght and the sorcerers of rhand are more nihilistic. One wants to build and empire the other destroy everything in an existential revolt.

 

@cherifzachary so Snoke's Attendants, the insectoid mute alien navigators on his flagship, aka Aing-Ti that became UR Navigators as per the Navigator Guilds in the Thrawn books,... how do they play into your scenario? Or rather, how do Aing-Ti from across the galaxy in the Kathol Rift end up as UR Navigators in Snoke's service and what Aing-Ti techniques and tricks did they bring with them to Snokes use.

Whoever your or anybody elses's Snoke is in these versions, adding a species that can teleport ships instantly and timetravel via flowwalking to his arsenal seems overpowered and insane, as well as underused in practically every useful scenario thinkeable.

Why were they there? What did they do or want? How did they help and why NOT with these other overpowered tricks their kin can do?

Or rather... what are Aing-Ti Timecops doing undercover as UR Navigators at a pivotal timeline crosssection between Legends and Canon either to help or stall Snoke and his faction? Did he know of their capabilities or mistake them for mere Navigators?

 

If you combine the Fel Empire with Palpatine Dark Empire it would practically be the First Order
the Fel Empire it is more similar to the First Order since it was successful in controlling much part of the Galaxy the Fel Empire recruited Force Sensitives too we will see if the First Order did the same and the Dark Empire is more like the Sith Eternal and the Final Order it is curious that the Fel Empire was temporarily controlled by a Sith too in this case Darth Krayt

 

It's like a multi-stage boss fight for the galaxy, I love this.

Shady politician -> murderous dictator -> undead abomination.

 

You know, it does fit that Final Form Sidious would absolutely be spamming Supernova as a special move.

 

Could see the FO being a COMPNOR spinoff, mostly focused on grandiosity and inculcating fanaticism into its soldiers.

Would be composed of ISB and COMPNOR hardliners in the unknown regions, and deep space that were fanatical Imperials, much more so than Daala or any warlord.

Launching a series of attacks against the galactic alliance, or perhaps being suppressed by the recently formed Fel empire.

As for Amedda, Chagrians only live 80 years last time I checked Wookieepedia(I could be wrong) so I can’t see him living that long and escaping capture or assassination.