The Force or Magic?

Since the wizards Star Wars RPG is similar to D&D you could cross the universes into one universe what would be the better.

Personally i think the Jedi would be wiped out entirely on Faerun. Mages like Elminster wouldn't have anything to do with yuppies playing around with dangerous power.

 

If it was Jedi vs Mage, the wizards would win, but I don't think the would scour them from Faerun just to do so. But the Illithid might.

 

You're involving high-level characters, apparently. But let's play by this rule (I'm supposing the spells didn't change too much between the 2nd and 3rd ed so this might not be entirely accurate) :

Jedi vs Wizard (Jedi 12th, Wizard 11th)

The wizard could cast Immunity to Energy (5th level spell) which renders the lightsaber useless, and then Immunity to Normal Weapons (5th level spell to avoid being harmed by the Jedi's fists and kicks). If the Jedi still insists, then cast an Invisibility True (4th level, before Immunity to Weapons cease being in effect) and Levitate (2nd level spell) to take a more comfortable position. Cast Melf's Minute Meteors (3rd level spell) to get some stuff in your hands, then Greater Curse (4th level) and Hold Person (3rd level). Your Jedi is probably pretty defenseless by now, and Melf's Minute Meteors are more than enough to deal with him. If he's not, then use a previously stored Minor Spell Sequencer (4th level) to cast Grease (1st level) and cast Stinking Cloud (2nd level) to convince him he's best where he is. He'll have a hard enough time to move (since he's cursed, -4 to Save Rolls doesn't help evading area effect, prolonged spells), Melf's Acid Arrow (2nd level) should hit him pretty easily and, when he's unconscious thanks to the Stinking Cloud, Magic Projectiles (1st level) will hit the mark easily. Use Fire Ball (3rd level) to fry him if needed while he's unconscious too).

All the spells above are memorized by most of my level 11 Wizards when readying for close-quarters battle (ie when they know them).

 

Well that seems like it will burn, but I am pretty sure magic missle will hit all thew time every time. No deflectiting or dodgeing. (it gets no save)


Of course for a mid level mage, wall of force(no pun) makes a great defense. There are also the uses of haste, web and slow.

For the high level powerword stun, blind or even kill. There is no save and take just an action. Of course just go with the high level monster summoning to wear down the Jedi, then hit him with trap the soul or some other effect.


Unless you want to use the psionic as force power options, and the3n it could get real nasty.

 

Ahhh, the Jedi would just use the jedi mind trick to take over the Death Star, then blow Faerun out of the universe. Where's Your Wizard Now?? Huh????......i THOUGHT so.



All that would be left would be the Tarrasque floating through space...and he would become King of the Rancors!!!!

 

Ummmmmm.....uhhhhh......itsd like this as soon as the Death Star enters Realm Space, it would shut down. Lord AO forbids technology, so the Death Star would become a large floating, POWERLESS moon.

 

Unless the Emperor is really much more powerful than we think

 

FEAR would be very effective against the mage. Works a little different from the D&D version andcan be used as a ranged attack. very unexpected if it's the mages' first encounter with Jedi

 

They're not the actual spell names in English (sorry guys, I'm French) but they exist in AD&D.

 

I don't have my books here, what are the wizard's saving throws like? (will save in particular) I'm still a fan of affect mind, I wonder how the mage would fare?

But still, I think it boils down to 2 completely different game-balances/SW being relatively lower powered than DD.

 

A dragon, demon, devil, celestial........



The wizards high save is will. And remember nomatter what the bonus if ya role a one its a miss.



And the emporer could not override Lord AO will. It just doesn't happen.

Lord Ao is the overgod to the gods. He does get to write the rules. And one of them is no advanced tech in that type of quantities.


Also there is not a Fearunian power that would allow the DS to get that close. Of course Bane would love it.

 

see below

 

A lot of these posts are assuming that all this contest would happen on Faerun.




WELLLLLL, how about we drop a mage on Coruscant, where magic (as he knows it) doesn't exist....

or to put it on equal terms, no force or no magic altogether.

who would win I wonder....hmmm.

jedi of course.

 

Is there no magic there? Thats intersting.


But lets put our pcs in a setting without the force or magic, then my monk will tear a Jedi to peices. Without the force the Jedi would lose all chances then. And let alone against say a psion. And the result is the same.


If you want to use D&D pcs in modern or futuristic times, Both Dragon and Dungeon had a great issue each on it.



And I wonder what a Jedi or Sith would do against a Dragon.

 

I'm sorry how about a 1/2 troll 1/2 dragon?


every see what rend could do? What if he was a barbarian to boot?


I supose I should have said 1/2 races for the others too






and to ansewer your question about raw damage a 20th level wizard with the twin spell feat, spell spectilization and empower spell casting as fireball that would filla 9 th level slot would do [(10d6+2)1.5]2which comes out to 20d12 a maimum of 240 points of damage, now If I wanted to wait until I was 24th level I could add the energy admixture feat which would once again double that damage for 480 points of damage unterly flatening anything I hit.


And you don't want to see that done with metor swarm either, its ungodly. Which explains why Eliminster, the Simbul and Raistlin are so feared. They can devistate whole armies with just a couple of spells.

 

Its all about Mind effect powers. At least in the old(AD&D system, 1st edition... thank you..) the think that could melt a mage is seconds was a psi attack(I hate Ilithids). Now put the resouces of a Jedi's mind against a mage... it can get nasty if they player is creative.... thats a big if.

- V

 

The only problem these days is the non-psionic buffer, thats a wopping -8 to psi attacks vs a non-psi. And since this is the system we are basing the arguements off of we have to use the current d20 system.


And if I remember correctly the old psi powers were amongst the worst disruption to the game. Of course the old Monk was ungodly tough at mid and high levels too.

 

um...about dropping the jedi and mage (back to the ORIGINAL question on this post) on a neutral planet with no force or magic...the jedi would most definitely kick all kinds of wizard butt because of the unfair weapon handling abilities of the jedi that the mage in no way could possibly hope to attain...so I guess the real answer to the REAL question would have to be jedi!
...and when I actually think about it , that was not even the original question...in order to actually decide which would win we would have to determine where they would be battling...and if we were to be fair we would have to allow magic because that is what makes a wizard...well...a wizard! who would win? that could be a tough one! I personally would have to lean towards a draw since magic and the force are almost the same thing, just existing on different dimensions and having eveolved in two seperate ways that have made both equally powerful in their own unique ways! so there!

 

people, let's not forget that lightsaber is not realy a simply "Briliant energy" weapon. Check the descriptions of briliant energy in DMG and lightsaber in SWRPG - lightsaber does not simply ignore metal and such, it cuts through it. As about bonuses, it is also a big question if it could be considered a magical weapon, and if it could, then how much enhancment should it get. Maybe the bonus damage to lightsaber from users level determine the enhancement bonus? Thus bonus of 1d6 means +1 and 2d6 +2 and so forth. It is something similar to Zerth blade from planescape setting (I hope I wrote the name correctly)

Just a few thought on the matter. I, personaly, are all for Jedi