The future for the EU. Leading to: Allana vs The mystery man on dark throne

After reading LotF and now parts FotJ, I can pretty much see that this is leading to something bigger and grander that will affect the whole galaxy. My theory is, that both visions (the man on the dark throne and Allana on the white throne) are correct it's just the future has been split into two roads where it could go either way. I'm thinking that a series down the road from now will be about Allana finding out more about these visions and the man on the dark throne (a new character yet introduced) also finding out and it will be about their conflict and the lead up to them having to fight to the death. Very simple: if the new male character killed Allana, the dark throne vision would come true and the galaxy would fall to tyranny worse than krayt amd Palpatine. Allana wins the white throne vision comes true and the galaxy would have years of peace.

I'm thinking if this happens it would serve as the finale for the NJO, Luke/Leia/Han era in Post RotJ. And if you think about it. It would be kind of fitting.

 

Well, I hope Denning will be removed from his position of lead writer and someone with a lot better, and rather more creative literary vision will scrap the prophecy. I can stomach short term arc specific prophecies. But I cannot "Destiny" prophecies.

The throne of light and dark is such a ham fisted to retroactively justify the bad crud that went on in lotf it is awful. And now he is trying to force a character down a specific guideline. Which has for all intents and purposes starting to look like clone Leia adventures of a diplomatic princess with a kitty, A jedi queen who looks like Tenel Ka, a button nose and a Rancor hilted light-saber.

Wow?so unique. it's not like we have or have seen the path of one of thoes.

And it is not like the jedi attempting to force a child to accept one particular destiny without her consent makes them seem immoral or anything. In DNT Jacen messing with possible futures to leave a temporal recording for mom concerns Luke, but and Ben trying to preserve Allana?s identity not because the silth/abeloth/whatever would try to kill and innocent little girl. But to force that child down a path to a particular destiny? no that is not creepy at all.

What happens if she drops that future for Star Ship captain? Medical professional? Cop? A house wife on Naboo, a Fencing instructor, force witch on Dathomir? I suppose that characters hopes and dreams are just SOL.

You Know when Harry Dresden ?Soul Gazed? his soon to be apprentice ex-warlock Molly Carpenter, Jim Butcher had the imagination to depict she had many possible futures?Dark Mage, Warden (Magic cop), regular practicing regular practicing wizard, that she had infinite possibilities before her, good and bad.

Denning?s way, no this is the path our literary-bot will take.

 

Possibly they flow walk to the past and have a battle in the clone wars. It might explain the recent trailer.

 

But have the Jedi ever really not forced someone to accept their destiny? I mean, Obi-Wan never told Luke what happened to his father...

What I want to know is, who is the dark man? Krayt? Ben? Luke? Resurrected Anakin?

 

The Dark Man's "Throne of Balance" future was destroyed. It will not happen, because of what Jacen did. Now Allana will sit on the white "Throne of Balance."

When Allana takes the throne (which I'm still not convinced is the Hapan throne), then she will usher in an era of peace that will last until Darth Krayt destroys it with the sabotage of the Ossus Project and the Sith-Imperial War.

VORTEX spoilers: Abeloth states her goal is to reverse the changes Jacen made, destroying the future with Allana on the White Throne, and restoring it to the Dark Man. Allana has spilled her secret to the Barabel Jedi and Barv.

So I'm thinking when Abeloth learns of the "Jedi Queen's" identity through Barv (since he was previously one of the insane Jedi), then Abeloth will probably use all her forces to try to kill Allana.

(Abeloth thinking that she can reverse the change Jacen made also means the Dark Man must still be alive...)

 

Am I the only one who thinks the dark man is Krayt? Since I read about the dark man that was the only person I thought it could be. Aren't we approaching the Legacy Comics material on the timeline?

 

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I think Allana will end up on the throne of balance once it all is said and done, most likely she will end up as a future Leia. To be honest I think that Taalon might have been that mystery man. Since Jacen's fall to the Darkside altered the course of events so that it now lead to his death. (If he hadn't fallen Luke and Ben wouldn't have gone there and Taalon might have succeeded.) I think it have have shifted the future more solidly in favor of Allana.

Though I do have to say Taalon and Abeloth are BEYOND LUCKY that Jacen is dead. If he had lived and heard what those two were saying regarding their plans for Allana...omg.... their deaths would have been the most merciful outcome by far.

 

Which is why I have always thought the dark man is Darth Kryat

 

Post-NJO/Pre-Legacy is just a mess.

 

I agree with Darth Ghost and think that the Dark Man future will not happen so that Allana can take the throne wherever it is. The problem with the Dark Man being Darth Krayt is that it said that Jacen saw a Dark Man with dark robes surrounded by acolytes and he seems to have recognized who the person was. I think that he saw Ben on the throne. Also, the Throne of Balance seems like it is more for the near future and is set about 20 years later instead of about 90 years later where Krayt came into power. I think that Krayt was going to come into power later no matter what happened since at this point in time, he is on Korriban and is probably in stasis while the One Sith get larger and more powerful and the Jedi can't change that. Then from Vortex, the Current has changed and if the Dark Man was Krayt, it would have stayed the same since it is inevitable that Krayt is going to take over so I think that the Dark Man can't be Krayt since the Current changed to the Allana future even though Krayt is still around.

 

Yeah definitely, if Jacen were alive he'd give Taalon and Abeloth a good beating. Too bad, I miss him. Say what you will but he got things done when the situation called for it.

 

I think Darth Ghost is bang on his money with his assessment of Abeloth and her attempt to change the flow of the current and I totally agree with Abeloth finding out about Allana through Barv.

You saying thay the problem with it not being Krayt who Jacen saw is down to that he seemingly recognized who ever it is, how ever (and I know this is a bit of stretch) there is no evidence either way to say that Jacen has or hasn't met Kryat. At the moment we still know next to nothing about Jacens five year force trek, who is to say they didn't have some sort of meeting without Jacen knowing the true extent of his plans and who he was.


Going back to what Darth Ghost said.

If he is right with this then, then its easy to figure out its Kryat. Due to Legacy we know Kryat, who is the Lord of the Sith and thus a Dark man, will take the throne when he unleashes the One Sith. As FOTJ hasn't finished yet, who is to say Abeloth doesn't reverse what Jacen undid? Seeing as they are trying to paint Jacen as a tragic figure post LOTF wouldn't it make the tragedy of Jacen Solo even more great if what he died trying to prevent happen actually comes to pass meaning he died for nothing.

Also the description of a dark man on a golden throne surrounded by acolytes seems to remind me a hell of a lot of this picture.


http://zonamasekot.net/wpcontent/uploads/2008/07/darth_krayt_and_darth_talon_by_chris_trevas.jpg

 

I'm still of the "Ben as the dark man" idea. Though I would wonder what would make him like that.

I'd like to know exactly what Jacen knows of Abeloth. After FOTJ is over, can we have a Jacen series?

 

I am not saying that the main reason why it can't be Krayt is that he isn't recognized by Jacen, but that it doesn't make sense how the future supposedly changed to Allana if it was Krayt as the Dark Man. The only way that Krayt could meet Jacen anyway is when he went looking for newborns in order to make them into Sith troopers later and we don't know the exact dates of when he did that. Also, all of the visions of Allana have been set about 20 years later so why would the Dark Man be 90 years later. In Vortex, the White Current changed and if the Dark Man was Krayt all along, it wouldn't have changed since Krayt has not been affected at all by the current events so how could Jacen change that. Jacen caused the Allana future to happen and I don't see Abeloth reversing it since they are not going to kill off an 8-year old. At least, that future better happen and hopefully in the epilogue of Apocalypse so that there can be a period of peace until the Sith-Imperial War with no more 9-books series for a while since the authors have supposedly said that FOTJ is the last 9-book series in a long time. That way the authors can do duologies and trilogis instead of the next new big bad and huge conflict.

I think that Ben was the Dark Man because around the time of the Swarm War, he ended up closing himself off to the Force because of what he felt during the Yuuzhan Vong War as a baby. He didn't open up until Jacen helped him after he went on his journey so if Jacen never helped him, it probably would have ended up really badly for Ben and I could have seen him becoming the Dark Man.

 

I think you are 100% correct

 

godisawesome : I'm of the school of thought that the Dark Man is Luke.
If Denning is attempting to create a quasi-justification for Jacen both going evil and being an extremely inconsistent Sith Lord, he could tie all of Jacen's dark dreams-his own visions of the throne, his Betrayal vision of duels with Luke,

The problem with this theory though, is that Jacen specifically killed Nelani because in all of his visions where Nelani lived, Luke died. Now, if Luke were the dark man on the throne who would cause the galaxy untold horror, don't you think Jacen would have thought it would be a good thing for Luke to die? Then Jacen shouldn't have killed Nelani, because that would have insured (at least in his mind), that he would kill Luke. If Jacen killed Luke, the problem of Luke being the dark man on the throne would have been solved.

 

godisawesome : Well, if I remember correctly, we were never given any specifics as to the context of the multiple duels that Jacen saw in his vision. We weren't told if Luke and Jacen were significantly older, if they were aligned with any specific group or faction at war, or anything besides the fact that they were fighting and that Luke died.

I don't think that really matters. What bothered Jacen was that Luke died in those visions. He specifically killed Nelani to keep Luke from dying. But if Luke was to become the dark man who would cause terrible problems, then killing Luke should have been a good thing as far as Jacen was concerned, as Luke's death either would have kept him from becoming the dark man, OR, if he *was* the dark man already, would have ended his "reign of terror". Either way, Jacen should have thought of that as a good thing. So, in my opinion, it doesn't make sense for Luke to be the dark man.

Besides, Luke was the one who was having dark man visions, not Jacen. Remember the "dark man who doesn't exist" early in Betrayal became the "dark man exists" after Jacen killed Nelani.

 

On the subject of the Dark Man, I'm rereading Betrayal. Interestingly enough, when Jacen makes a comment that if he ruled galactic civilization he'd let Han shoot the people who decide on diplomatic protocols, Luke freaks because for a few seconds, the Dark Man existed... in fact, the ONLY times he's said to "exist" are when Jacen is acting darkish.

I dunno- maybe he really WAS always meant to be Jacen, the only difference is he did it early/did it in a manner that the Throne of Balance was changed?

 

dewback_rancher : On the subject of the Dark Man, I'm rereading Betrayal. Interestingly enough, when Jacen makes a comment that if he ruled galactic civilization he'd let Han shoot the people who decide on diplomatic protocols, Luke freaks because for a few seconds, the Dark Man existed... in fact, the ONLY times he's said to "exist" are when Jacen is acting darkish.

Yes, and then right after Jacen killed Nelani, Luke told Mara, "The dark man exists". So, by killing Nelani, it seems that Jacen passed the point of no return and became the dark man of Luke's visions.

 

Hey, guys!

About this subject, I have a theory that I would like to share and maybe get some feedback, one way or another.

Is it possible that the Dark Man Jacen saw could be himself and he didn't completely recognize himself? It would explain why the vision changed just before he died, meaning that he was already doomed then.

And Abeloth could be trying to repair this timeline by placing another Dark Man on the Throne, one that shared Jacen's bloodline - probably Luke.

Does this make sense or am I going crazy?