The Hidden Clues in the Music of the Saga

I have recently become quite interested in the things the music featured in the Star Wars Saga tells us on an almost subconcious level about plot points that connects the larger Saga.

Being no music expert myself I am hoping fellow posters can point more of these out to me.

I also hope that this is not moved to the Music Forum, but if you feel it needs to be I understand.

Here are the examples that brought this to my attention:

In TPM, the celebration on Naboo is actually a "happy" variation of the Emporer's Theme - suggesting that Palpatine is the real winner amongst the victory on Naboo.

Also in TPM Anakin's Theme is a major version of The Imperial march - obviously pointing towards Anakin's own darker future.

In ROTS as Luke & Leia are talked about on the Tantive 4, we hear their respective themes play in the background.

The funeral theme for Qui Gon is heard as Padme is buried - perhaps leading us to think Qui Gon had a hand in her death (by finding Anakin therefore starting his path towards becoming Vader)

The Imperial March played at the end of AOTC obviously links the Clones to the future stormtroopers/Empire.

Are there more people can think of that are maybe harder to spot/hear?

 

Trade Federation March when Obi-Wan sees the Clones in AoTC.

 

Perhaps connecting the current baddie army with those soon to take their place

 

I think the Trade Fed theme played to put us in the same boat as Obi-Wan.... confused.
He didn't know what was going on with this army, nor who really ordered it.

 

The Trade Federation theme is great. It's used for the bad guys in TPM, the good guys in AOTC, then is used for the bad guys again in ROTS as the Clones storm the Temple.

 

Watch it again; that's not the Trade Federation theme when Anakin is leading the clones into the temple. It's a track from the AotC soundtrack that was unused in AotC (it is in the battle arena-themed main menu screen, however). It's also used briefly after the Palpatine-Anakin opera scene, when we see Kashyyyk for the first time.

 

Correct.

 

Interesting

Any others?

 

Yeah, the Trade Federation March is used for the good guys and the bad guys. The Temple Raid music, used for the bad guys, is also used for the good guys during Utapau. During the PT, the sides are constantly shifting, and nothing is black and white, which the music conveys.

In the OT, the lines are clearly drawn between heroic and evil themes, with the exception of Luke's Jedi theme, which is briefly used for Vader after his turn.

 

Sorry, but the music for the temple raid was not used on Utapau. The only other use of it was what I mentioned earlier, when we first see Kashyyyk. What theme are you thinking of? I am referring to, I believe, the latter portion of the "Love Pledge/The Arena" track (I can't be positive since I, unfortunately, do not own the CD).

 

In this instance, the cue being used ("The Arena", as Vyoor-Eedal stated) is only in those scenes in ROTS because either,
A) no suitable music was scored and/or recorded in time
or
B) it was decided not to use whatever cue may or may not have been scored/recorded.

No hidden meaning in any music tracked from a previous film. For example, nearly the entire final quarter of AOTC is underscored with bits and pieces of music from TPM... not just the same music, but the actual recordings. But it's only because that portion of the film was rearranged at a late date (or scenes added, like the 'Droid Foundry' scene) and any music already in the can wouldn't do.... Sometime Lucas requests that changes (or existing music be tracked in) be made too.

 

Anakin is marching to the Temple, then it cuts to Utapau, showing the Clones invade one of the droid-infested levels. The same music carries all the way through, as the Clones put down the last of the droids. Cody then gets the message from Palpatine, which cues the Order 66 music (my favorite piece of the Saga).

 

Am I insane or are you STILL talking about the same piece of music?

NEXT!

 

Yes, it's the same piece of music. The good guys and the bad guys use it.

 

Have you read any of the posts from Vyoor-Eedal or myself??
I mean no offence, but I wasn't giving you a theory.... I was letting you know exactly why that piece of music has no hidden meaning in it's use in ROTS.

 

Right, I see what you mean. I had thought different music was intercut, but I'll have to watch it again.

... However I do agree that it may be time to move on to the next piece for discussion.

 

JMN77, no offense taken. I guess the hidden meaning is still too hidden for you. Go back to reading your sheet music.

 

I also noticed anakins theme is very similar to the imperial march. Its doesn't have a very strong theme to it but its reflects to it from time to time.

 

I meant no offence towards you, yet I'm to go back to reading my sheet music??
Instead of reading sheet music, I'll continue to read what Williams himself had to say about why music from AOTC was used in those scenes as opposed to looking TOO DEEPLY for meanings where there are none.
Thirdly, I'll remember now not to share facts with those who are ignorant.

 

How about the Death of Darth Vader?

The average viewer might not realize that its actually the Imperial March being played on a harp.

 

JMN77, go back to trolling the outerrimsieges.com

 

Sith_rising, JMN77's right. It's not the same piece of music. It sounds similar, but it's not the same. It's the music that was originally gonna be in Attack of the Clones, but was taken out. I have the soundtrack for Attack of the Clones and the Revenge of the Sith DVD. It's from "The Arena". It's not the Trade Federation Theme. And stop being a jerk, he was only trying to help.

 

Now you're accusing me of trolling? Because I present you with facts that you don't want to listen to? Are you kidding me?? Or are you just retarded? Get your head out of your ass sith_rising. I didn't get released from my 6 month ban to come back here and start **** in a thread about film score, you're just being a **** because I'm a member of a different, non-nazi controlled, free thinking forum?? Real mature man, real mature.

That's cool, I know why the music from one film was tracked into another because I CAN READ WHAT THE COMPOSER HAD TO SAY ABOUT IT. It's that simple, sorry there are no grand mysteries behind this as you so wish. Sorry you're such a **** too. You're but one small reason why this site is for 2 year olds with no balls for debate (or facts) anyway. So why don't YOU go back to sucking your thumb and dreaming of all the mystical reasons why a piece of music (scored originally for a battle involving beasts no less, not EVEN for good or bad guys) was used in another film, while I will leave you be knowing you're just another ignorant ******** robot with you're fingers in your ears.

 

You're on your way to another ban.

 

Now who's the troll? Just admit you were wrong. It's not that big of a deal. Bring up another piece of music to discuss already.