The Jedi Prince series is considered serious EU canon? *spoilers*

I was surprised see Karen Travis mentions the Prophets of the Darkside in 501st. I don't know if she was planning on going somewhere with that in future novels.

 

The prophets are mentioned in alot of Eu. Cronal was one. but the ones in Jedi Prince are fakes.

 

I thought Cronal was an Emperors Hand?

 

He was both. Hardly the only person to be in multiple imp ds adept groups

 

He was both. Technically, Cronal was a member of a group called the Sorcerers of Rhand. He was used by Palpatine for prognostication. When the other prophets (at some point, Cronal joined the Prophets of the Dark Side) started getting jealous or whatever, Palps placed Cronal in Imperial Intelligence, and soon made him an Emperor's Hand.

And actually, quite a bit of the Jedi Prince series has made its way into the rest of the canon. The Grand Admirals, The Prophets of the Dark Side, polluted Duro, and several other things, though i cant remember them off the top of my head. TalonCard wrote an entire article on it years ago, and there should be a link to it somewhere (check his sig). So, while it was rather silly, it is canon, and much of what it established was built upon later.

Anyone who knows more about Jedi Prince, feel free to chime in.

 

Hey, if RC/IC itself can be serious canon, why not GODV?

Cronal was a Prophet who got recruited by Palpatine and became an Emperor's Hand (and per Mindor, he was a bunch of other stuff too). The Prophets were a schismatic Sith sect on Dromund Kaas, who Palpatine got working for him; after Endor, Cronal and Sate Pestage founded the Church of the Dark Side as a rallying point for Imperial morale, with its own cast of fake Prophets. They're the ones in GODV.

If you want to know about the Prophets, they've been mostly covered by Abel Peña. The Emperor's Hands, Evil Never Dies, and The Dark Forces Saga have quite a bit on them; other non-Abel sources include the Dark Side Sourcebook (the original source of the "fake Prophets" retcon, I believe) and The Essential Guide to the Force.

 

I didn't realize that the "fake Prophets" retcon started with the Dark Side Sourcebook. So, I guess that book brought a lot of the elements into modern continuity, even if what we saw in the GODV books wasn't what we were lead to believe.

I sorta liked those books when I was a kid.

Gotta love the Mofferences.

 

I have fond memories of those books too. I mean of course they're ridiculous to me now, but they were pretty much my only taste of the EU outside of video games for many years.

Anyway, I think the KotOR Campaign Guide recently retconned the Lost City of the Jedi to have been built by the Jedi shortly after the GSW to help rebuild Yavin 4's ecosystem.

 

I think there were a number of elements from those novels that were adopted by the EU. The Prophets of the Dark Side were one, not the ones in the novel as its revealed in other sources that Cronal created the Church of the Dark Side as a branch of Imperial Intelligence. It also made mention of Duro's surface being a toxic wasteland.

I think the only things not mentioned again are Ken and Triclops I think the wiki says that Triclops is actually an experiment by Darth Sidious in midichlorian manipulation as part of an effort by Palpatine and Sly Moore in recreating the lost knowledge of Darth Plagueis. However, I don't know the source of that so don't know if its true or not.

Also, if I might ask, where in the KotOR Campaign Guide is the Lost City is mentioned? I read it on Wookieepedia but couldn't find the source for it being mentioned

 

It's from Aliens in the Empire, which is sadly no longer available since the reboot of StarWars.com.

It's on pg. 153, under Exar Kun's entry: "Afterward, the Jedi build a city deep underground to nurture the world back to health and guarantee Kun never returns."

 

Traviss has mafe it clear that she doesn't really read any of the EU because she finds it boring. So she probably won't know all these details about was what she probably was referring to the Glove of Darth Vader, I think she may have even quoted from it.

 

That's a shame Sounded like an interesting retcon of Triclops origins... plus, makes him the closest thing to a son that Palpatine ever had really.

Many many thanks for that I kept looking in the wrong sections! Heh, first started in the Jedi parts and later the Sith histories as well as the general timeline. Didn't think to check the character bios, ugh. Anyway thanks again!

 

I really find it amazing that you would say...

...and follow that up by saying...

Seems to me that you shouldn't be surprised at all.

 

Then I find it odd that she has heavily referenced Children of the Jedi in her Order 66 and 501st novels.

 

For the good of the thread, we should probably get off Traviss and back to GoDV...

Anyway, some of the images from the series were sort of frightening to me when I was young. Such as...

Trioculus frozen in carbonite (top left corner):

[image=http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/6/68/Mission-from-mount-yoda.jpg]

Hissa being burned alive in lava:

[image=http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/9/94/HissaMelts-MFMY-82and83.png]

 

I was under the impression that it's canon, but just so spectacularly unimportant that no one in-universe cares about it. (Whereas the books seem to be trying to set themselves up as Episodes VII, VIII and IX.)

 

It's not unimportant. These are important things that Luke and co. were doing while the Rogues were fighting Isard.

 

She doesn't read fiction for enjoyment. She's said this many times. She's not unlike several relatives of mine who will read non-fiction like crazy but fiction...nothing for them. However, she loves comic books and used to sing the praises of the Dark Horse books back on her LJ. Several scenes in her books were inspired by SW comic issues. She's also talked about listening to the audio books of various SW novels because she likes audio dramas.

She's said she has trouble reading fiction for information and would rather use the Cron or the EG's to find information, find what sources they're from, and then look at the sources for context and I know for a fact that she goes back to the primary sources to check them, which is why you end up with quotes in her material. She also stated on her newsgroup that she read all the LoTF books before writing hers (obviously, by that I mean the ones that came before her's) except for BETRAYAL because of Aaron's health issues that meant she wrote BLOODLINES before he finished BETRAYAL, which is probably why the final bits of BETRAYAL aren't mentioned at the start of BLOODLINES.

So, in short, it's nothing personal against SW, it's just that she's not a heavy fiction reader and she doesn't have the time anymore anyway, but she still researches the material and checks the primary sources.

 

GODV is crap, but it is entertaining crap. I'd rather have that than pretentious nonsense in the canon.